Harrahs AC

[notes1]

ted, very sorry to hear about your friend. go out for an evening of entertainment and end up getting stabbed. the world is going to hell. i forgot, the offender probably had a difficult childhood or was bullied in school or did not get the right kind of sneakers as a kid or someone looked at him funny or has some genetic disorder or...... ,  it wasn't his fault.

[olds442jetaway]

Wow, sorry too Ted about your friend and glad he finally recovered. We all have to have eyes in the back of our head now days as well as being " fully prepared " as best we can for such attackers. I never take a direct route out of the casino to my car. That way, unless there is a team at work, I always know my surroundings and if anyone is tailing me, etc. Easy to say. Not so easy to remember to do sometimes, but I try. I also try and park right under a camera in the garage in a bright area. Sometimes I wonder if anyone monitors them much though.

[doris13]

years ago a friend of my mother's was mugged in the parking garage at the tropicana atlantic city.she was hurt pretty badly and no one acted surprised that it happened.after that i started using the valet parking.the couple of bucks to tip the valet is worth it.

[notes1]

doris, no one acting surprised, that is the scary part. don't know if you remember about 6-8 years ago, when a couple took their daughter to the TAJ for her 21st birthday. the father dropped off the ladies at the front door and he went to park the car in the deck. he and his car were  taken by a couple of aholes. they found his dead body in his burnt car, a couple of days later. it was a big story in AC for a long time. i think they caught the killers. it was the first time i started to pay more attention to my surroundings.  wise on your part to use valet, $5 to save your life.

[FAA]

Live at five!

[doris13]

i remember it well notes,and i seem to remember another incident there too.something on that line but i can't put my finger on it.anyway,i never really felt comfortable at the taj and i haven't been there in years.
i googled crimes at taj and found it notes:a mentally ill woman stabbed 2 women outside the parking garage area and they both died.scary stuff!

[JT]

My sister in law was mugged at the Taj garage. But she's still too cheap to park in the valet, which blows my mind. Kenny and Rob at the Taj will always take care of you and your car, the parking is free with a player's card and they always leave my car up front for me anyway.   

[DaBurglar]

DaBurglar a person can self-exclude themselves from a casino for any length of time they want: DON'T GO.

Now getting back to the regs; you may be certain but you are wrong. It is 1 year, 5 years, or lifetime. LOOK IT UP.

And how do you know how often casinos get sued ""over matters like this"? Please provide: case numbers; venue; party names; and, disposition.

As for your point about the casinos only caring about their money; don't you care about YOUR money?


What calm did the poker room manager need to restore? Was it mass hysteria when the guy was being removed (LEGALLY) from the premises? Did other players stand in solidarity behind the soon to be ejected man? Did people climb onto the top of poker tables and yell: "I'm mad as hell and not going to take it anymore?" Did they call casino security staff a bunch of jackbooted thugs?

You made no point about casinos caring about their money Captain Obvious. I think you've held the rank of Captain long enough DaBurglar and you are now receiving a field promotion to Major. So you are now Major Obvious.

   Not gonna respond to these idiotic, pointless (and belligerent) questions.   The terms and adjectives and language I choose to use to evoke or describe a scene or experience are NOT things I need to run past you first for approval, sorry.....you absolutely must be the most PETTY individual I have ever NOT met.   But as always, I am more than willing to give you the chance to say EVERY thing you feel so entitled to say on this forum to me in person.....If for no other reason, to confirm the level of cowardice (what all Bullys are consumed with) you actually exist at......This thread was ORIGINALLY about one topic, which segued into another (as threads often do)....I voiced MY OPINION on this second topic (based on MY experience of an almost exact nature many years ago in VEGAS....)...and then   YOU, as usual with all the subtlety of a community bedpan, attempted to just plain stir crap up by asking a leading and OBVIOUS question to which YOU ALREADY knew the answer, JUST to evoke a response from me (to which I am SURE you already had, pretyped, YOUR response, etc etc)!!!   Seriously, if anyone does not know what I mean or refer to, just go back to the start of this thread and read through it.....Edited to add:  I  will add this one little ("obvious", or not) tidbit......Ted's point earlier that, customers who self exclude and who subsequently try to gamble or play at the "exclusion zone" casino, pose NO risk whatsoever to the casino in terms of taking or being given any mone(ies) from the casino, completely ignores one simple fact regarding the incident I witnessed and described:    The casino was indeed doing what it was supposed to do with the customer, namely boot his arse and seize his chips.....BUT the casino would indeed be LIABLE and at risk if....IF.... it could be shown that, after (or upon) the casino noticed the excluded person was on site, in house, and gambling, and the casino proceeded  to IGNORE, or refuse to deal with at once, or even FAILED to identify the player as a problem....THEN both the state and the actual person would have a case.    Look at it this way:   If the self excluded patron was losing a lot of money, and continued to play (and play and play and play....an lose lose lose), OBVIOUSLY it could and would be argued that the casino allowed the "loser" to continue his losing instead of immediately "booting & looting" the patron (from the casino & of his chips!)    THAT is what was meant when it was explained to me and the other poker room occupants of how and why BALLYS had to bounce the guy in such dramatic and forceful and obvious fashion!   It demonstrated in no uncertain terms how seriously Ballys regarded compliance with the Gaming regulations, and it squashed ANY and all potential allegations by the excluded, losing player that he/she/it was "allowed to gamble even though I did not want to do so".........

[DaBurglar]

But out of decency, I am appalled by what happened to the stabbing victim.  And yes, HArrahs SHOULD be sued if the stabbing happened due to a lack of security or safety measures (or failure to enforce or apply existing measures or laws)......(a portion of) The lawsuits i referred to earlier that often concern casinos OBVIOUSLY would involve this exact topic, "Safety and Security" on and within the casino premises (which iNCLUDE Parking garages and surrounding grounds.)  Obviously, NJ "gaming rules & regs" do not cover what and how a casino is to utilize for safety & security, but that is DEFINITELY covered in other statutes and regulations and laws (from both the CITY and STATE) which are just as important and binding (and essential) to a casino's gaming license status as the games themselves!!I happen to know the current (and ongoing saga of) MGM - MAssachusetts project involved a very strenuous process whereby  MGM had to convince the city (of Springfield) and state (of Mass) that it would have more than adequate security in and around its Resort establishment....this included details on the number, disposition, and contingency planning for the actual security personnel, as well as protocol on the relationship with city and state law enforcement agencies.....in other words, if a casino wants to obtain (and RETAIN) its casino/gaming license, it MUST be concerned with the safety and security of the People who PATRONIZE the business!     Failure to do so not only opens the Casino up to litigation, but endangers the license as well.To all other posters, even doris, I find the stories about how UNSAFE AC is (and remains) to be extremely upsetting.....but "alas", this supports and confirms MUCH of what I have said, and continue to say, about just how far this destination (AC) has sunk and how poor its long term prospects remain......UNLESS or UNTIL someone, somewhere, decides to care about something MORE THAN MONEY.....The Ironically SAD thing is if AC could unplug its head from its massive anal cavity, it would see that by simply enacting improved safety measures and vigorously enforcing existing rules and laws, and making it more safe and appealing for people to come, then obviously, more Money/profit would ensue!

[JT]

Stay with the Marina properties and you'll be fine, they're much safer, IMHO.  The riff-raff mostly stays around the Boardwalk.