Harrahs AC

[Carcounter]

Never felt unsafe at any of the Marina casinos, but the boardwalk, that's a different story.

[FAA]

No "business reduction" at Marina casinos. What a coincidence!

[DaBurglar]

Well, the main thing about AC is this:  with the three marina casinos, Harrahs, Borgata and Goldn Nugget, only the golden nugget offers even a slight chance of making a reasonably quick getaway in a vehicle IF someone perpetrates a crime and has someone else waiting with a car to speed away.   The thing I do not understand about the incident with JETER's friend is, when they reported the theft to Harrahs and then Harrahs verified the incident on video, WHY they at least did not make a basic attempt to see if the people were still on premises, OR possible next door at Borgata or GN (again, the casinos are supposed to be working TOGETHER on stuff like this and sharing data and images of known criminals.  Today, In VEGAS, once your face/image is identified by any ONE casino as being "a bad guy" (cheater, thief, scammer, rapist, you name it),  you can be assured that within an hour (60 minutes) EVERY CASINO in Vegas knows about you and has your face in their database, and within a day the ENTIRE STATE (reno, laughlin, and all the ones sprinkled throughout)......and I am no longer certain but I believe there is also a NATIONAL database, plus you can bet that with companies like CET or MGM that are worldwide, such info is shared.     I have seen casinos JUMP all over people for the most trivial of reasons or incidents.....why or how they can simply shrug off theft is beyond me.    A few months ago, in BALLYS-AC, while playing in a cash game NL Holdem Poker with $2-$5 blinds, in the middle of 450-500 dollar pot I saw two suits and two security guards haul a player OUT with much noise and fanfare simply because the guy had "Self excluded for 6 months" himself from the casino 7 months prior, but had FAILED to formally request to be reinstated (neither he nor I were involved in the actual hand, but the three players who were involved became extremely IRATE over the distraction!)   The guy protested as they dragged him out, yelling, "It has been 7 months, I just forgot to re-apply!  I will re-apply right now!  COME ON!"      But the staff was not having any of it.....Later on, as word filtered back about the incident, we found out exactly WHY Ballys was so aggressive:  Apparently the FINE for a New Jersey casino allowing people on the self excluded list to actually gamble (or even set foot) in house is HUGE, plus if a self excluded person is allowed to gamble and they LOSE, the State of NJ can force the casino to return the money!    So it comes back to the theme about WHOSE money the casino is willing to fight for and protect......not the players' only THEIRS!

[Tedlark]

DaBurglar far be it from me to say that you are wrong, but you are WRONG.


According to Chapter 69G of the New Jersey Gaming Regulations:


If a person on the banned or self-exclusion list is caught gambling at a casino, the person will be subject to FORFEITURE of any winnings.

                     FURTHER


The self-exclusion can be for a period of: 1 or 5 years or lifetime exclusion.

And, a person on the self-exclusion list can only apply to get off the list once a period of 1 or 5 years has passed, NOT BEFORE SUCH TIME HAS ECLIPSED. You cannot remove yourself EVER, from the lifetime self-exclusion list.


THE CASINO WILL SEIZE MONEY OR THING OF VALUE FROM THE EXCLUDED PLAYER. This includes forfeiture of any money or credits in a casino gaming machine or chips on a gaming table position. Also included are any winnings that may be due a player.

The self-excluded player will then be required to file a request for return of these funds within 15 days of the seizure and if they do not file within 15 days, the money is gone and not returned to the player.


A casino DOES NOT return money lost to a casino (or another player in live poker) to a person on the self-exclusion list.

Feel free to look this up.

[DaBurglar]

Well that is what the regs say, AND I freely admit I did not bother to look up to see if what I saw or heard differed from reality.   obviously when this was transpiring the casino people did not come down with a copy of the NJ gaming regs and read them aloud as they hauled the guy out, and when everyone asked "what's going on", that's when I heard the reasons given for doing this (from the poker room manager who was most concerned with restoring calm to the tables)......still does not disprove my POINT about casinos only caring about THEIR money, nor does it preclude casinos being sued or taken to court (which does indeed happen all the time) over matters like this.   Just because gaming regs say one thing does make them the final word.    PLUS, I am pretty certain you can self exclude for periods less than a year, like the supposed 6 months this guy chose.....YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO go to Ballys AC and investigate this yourself, I heartily encourage you to do this....maybe someone will swipe your ticket while there, and then we can all see if you practice what you screech, about being nonchalant about the issue at the core of this thread.

[Tedlark]

DaBurglar a person can self-exclude themselves from a casino for any length of time they want: DON'T GO.

Now getting back to the regs; you may be certain but you are wrong. It is 1 year, 5 years, or lifetime. LOOK IT UP.

And how do you know how often casinos get sued ""over matters like this"? Please provide: case numbers; venue; party names; and, disposition.

As for your point about the casinos only caring about their money; don't you care about YOUR money?


What calm did the poker room manager need to restore? Was it mass hysteria when the guy was being removed (LEGALLY) from the premises? Did other players stand in solidarity behind the soon to be ejected man? Did people climb onto the top of poker tables and yell: "I'm mad as hell and not going to take it anymore?" Did they call casino security staff a bunch of jackbooted thugs?

You made no point about casinos caring about their money Captain Obvious. I think you've held the rank of Captain long enough DaBurglar and you are now receiving a field promotion to Major. So you are now Major Obvious.

   

[jetermacaw]

To all of us who frequent casinos, I think we know to be super aware of our surroundings. As someone previously posted, how often do we see the same people walking past our machines over and over again. Are they exercising?

This was again apparent this week this kid [with pants down by his ankles] passed me a least a dozen times. Are they [the casinos] afraid of racially profiling? This seems to be more apparent [to me] during the day when there are more senior citizens playing. I am very aware now, more then before of my surroundings.

[Carcounter]

I think there was an armed robbery at Harrahs AC last week. Apparently a couple of guys followed a senior citizen to the elevator and to his room in the early am.

[notes1]

i mentioned some time ago, that thugs were following players to their homes and robbing them. it is not an isolated event, the crooks look for big winners or those who cash out large amounts at the cage and those players have a big target on them.    

[Tedlark]

Notes when Harrah's Joliet first opened there were many reported incidents of armed robberies in the parking tower. Winning casino patrons were being targeted in the casino and then followed out and robbed if they went into the parking tower. A very good friend of mine was stabbed in the stomach during such a robbery and yes, the assailant got away with the money too. My buddy spent about amonth in the hospital. I don't recall if he sued Harrah's or not.