Not one AWAK in 125,000 hands and counting

[spxChrome]

I am up to around 160,000 hands with no AWAK. Same goes for my friends. Not sure how many more hands they have played but they have also yet to hit AWAK. On top of that all the hours we have been in the casino we have yet to see anyone else hit AWAK. Quarters and nickels sure but $1, $2, $5 no. Same goes for the little 2,3,4 W/K only once have I got those in the past 35,000 hands and it was dealt. Have got 2,3,4 just never with the kicker on DDB or TDB.

Only reason I am not buried in losses is because I have hit 6 royal in this span now and I hit a nice 2 nice JPs on a slot machine with some free play that they will not allow on VP.

Here is an example of quads I hit on my last trip roughly 10,000 hands.
A - 0
2 - 1
3 - 0
4 - 0
5 - 0
6 - 3
7 - 1
8 - 6
9 - 0
T - 4
J - 1
Q - 1
K - 3

Every trip looks the same from my log for the past few months. It's so funny with 8's they always come I would have to go back and count for the year but I bet my 8's to Aces count is 25 - 1.

[FAA]

Eight is never enough! Keep 'em coming. It's comforting to know that even with your rut, you're not buried in losses. VP does seem to keep me incredibly close to or above that break even line. Angst and agony are complimentary!

[spxChrome]

Just wanted to update this I am now around 260,000 hands without an AWAK. My two friends that play about as much as I do only 1 of them have hit AWAK. Luckily I have hit 10 Royals and some rare handpays on the slots which is normally where I have to blow my free play since they don't allow it on VP. Same goes for the little ones with the kickers I can probably count on 2 hands. garbage quads is all they allow now. Never anything you can go home on. Most of this play is from 1 casino but I have been to about 8 different casinos this year and they all play the same.

[olds442jetaway]

Wow SPX. I didn't think I would find anyone else who went so long on hitting the top premium hands except me. If my round number calculations are correct and I think they are, on DDB you should have hit 16 AWAK by now in that number of hands. You have now matched my worst Royalless streak and I have had 3 now of over 500k hands without one. My worst one is actually this year. Right now I am just about at 640k hands for the year. Most of that was single line, but some is Multi line play. At any rate, the last Royal I hit was in early Jan of this year. By now, I should have hit between 15 and 16 Royals. I haven't run across any other posters on this site other than you that can match our horrible streaks on either AWAK or Royals. Everything else is hitting for me right about on schedule. Unfortunately, these results translate into a 95-96% return long term for me. That is why I am switching casinos as we speak. If my Royals start hitting over there, I will really wonder if something is amiss where I am playing or my card is somehow keyed in to miss. I really don't think this is the case, but what else are we supposed to think with results like these. Like you said, we need ammo from other players who can back up our results. If we do get that, it is actually possible that something could be proven either way. Getting accurate results from others won't be easy however.

[FAA]

Misery loves company. Fight the power, Olds! Am I glad I've been spared the Disaster Duo results.

[FloridaPhil]

The sad truth is video poker machines do not know how many hands you have played today or in your lifetime.  Math based strategies are the best we have, but they are not perfect predictors of what will happen when you play.  If you look at the charts you will see there is always a chance you could be "super lucky" and about the same chance could be "super unlucky".  Video poker math can be a predictor of the likelihood that something may happen, it can never guarantee it actually will.

[Vman96]

Just wanted to update this I am now around 260,000 hands without an AWAK. My two friends that play about as much as I do only 1 of them have hit AWAK. Luckily I have hit 10 Royals and some rare handpays on the slots which is normally where I have to blow my free play since they don't allow it on VP. Same goes for the little ones with the kickers I can probably count on 2 hands. garbage quads is all they allow now. Never anything you can go home on. Most of this play is from 1 casino but I have been to about 8 different casinos this year and they all play the same.

Well, with what you are claiming, just on your results alone you're 16 cycles in the hole on AWAK and is 1 in 8.88 million event on a "fair" DDB game. And you claim one of two of your friends that plays a similar amount as you do also has gone this many hands without hitting one? It might not do you any good, but if any time a gaming commission should get involved, now is the time. As long as you're playing in the right state of course. I forgot where you played, sorry.

Those results are much more likely to be from a rigged machine than not. Hate to say it, but I would consider just saving up and going to Vegas from now on, or quit the game completely. Same goes for olds. Well, he could try Foxwoods or AC first I guess.

I'm sorta thankful that most of my results haven't been too crazy. Machines seem fair everywhere I play. Wish they were more on the positive end, but it is what it is.

[spxChrome]

I have called they Gaming Commission they say I have to fill out a form and submit a formal complaint and even then they don't take claims like mine serious because they are a dime a dozen with people complaining that the casino is rigged. I explained to them I had years of paperwork to prove that the machines are out of regulation or the chipmakers have exposed a loophole. They really didn't care to hear it. They only handle player/casino disputes like malfunctions or mistreatment.

Yea I would say my case has both

[Vman96]

So they won't even bother to run a "test program" on the machine? If not, you're boned. Sorry that either you're the unluckiest VP player in America along with your friend, or they rig the games. You should name the casino here.

[ko king]

So I just have to know speaking odds. I have played over 115,000 hands without getting a single AWAK and only a handful of 800's. Luckily I have had 4 royals which were all high progressive hits and some other handpays like dealt quads on 3/5 play etc. But what are the odds of playing 125,000 hands without getting a single AWAK? I have hit quad 8's 32x in this same span but not a single AWAK. I would have to look but I don't think I have had 1 trip were I did not get quad 8's or 10's at least once usually 3 or 4 times but I only get A,2,3,4 maybe once every 3 trips. And its not just me the people I know that play at the same casino are saying the same thing. Only 1 out of the 3 have hit AWAK once this year despite us all going 1 or 2 times a week for 6-8 hour sessions.

Anyway can I can an odds calculator on the awak thing? We are thinking of putting something together for the gaming commission.



I quit the casino before I got near to 125K hands, I played just over 62K hands of $1 denomination single line TDB without hitting a single AWAK, needless to say I didn't hit a royal there either. The casino host called and ask what happened to me since I quit cold playing there and I told him to look at my results. He sent me an invitation to sit down at the steakhouse and discuss the situation, I ignored it.