I hate to do this but I feel it is my duty....

[FAA]

A Mohegan mega casino would certainly be preferable to the alternative. But with Olds losing good money after bad and your travails, I shudder to consider its putative viability for us.

[olds442jetaway]

[QUOTE=olds442jetaway]     I was actually thinking of starting a portable spa and massage business that actually comes to your machine while you are in the midst of a grueling marathon. Pretty gal or good lucking guy as the case may be, hot towels, a trained masseuse, refreshing and healthy drink, and even one of those portable folding bicycle type exercisers to replace your seat. I really need to get down to the boardwalk before the entire industry down there implodes. I really enjoyed it in the 80's as did the wife. Still have my dad though thanks to the guy upstairs and he is my full time job. A proud WW11 vet that still has his wits about him and a good ol Yankee sense of humor. what can you tell us about your dad's WWII experiences olds?    I am a Military History Buff and would love to know what his memories are , especially if you say his wits are still with him!!!!    So few vets from that era are still with us these days!   Also, what you describe, a masseuse / masseur is indeed available at some (but NOT ALL)  poker rooms in various casinos throughout north america.....but they are not as detail oriented or dynamic (or just plain attractive)  as what you describe in your business plan!     I will gladly invest in this venture of yours if you are serious!  [/QUOTE]

     Don't want to take up too much vp time here. I'll save the detail for when we meet some day soon. Also this is the internet so.....Anyway dad and mom met in the states. Dad was in the Army band. Rudy Vallee used to buy a case of beer for the band. He would come around later and collect the emptys for the deposit. Mom had a civilian job one of which near the end of the war was to process German prisoners on an old Royal manual typewriter. An SS Officer being processed and still in uniform pulled a small knife from his lapel she thinks to slit his throat or it could have been to take out one more of ours. She was just 3 feet away. He was immediately tackled and dragged away. She never saw him again. Near the end of the war, many of the German soldiers she processed were just kids. When Red Skelton performed for the troops, he cracked up the band so much, they could hardly play.

[Buffilita]

Days and days of bad results are bad for morale, ours and the casino's. Been there but usually have a decent day where I recoup some. Cherokee, NC contracts a massage service. My husband plays black jack and seems every time I check on him, one of the girls is working on him (yeah, that's meant as a double entendre). He's a generous tipper. Occasionally he sends one to me but I don't like it! I'm there to play and it's more distracting than relaxing. If I want a massage I'll go to the spa where that's my only focus.

Speaking of hosts, mine and my husband's went from Cherokee to the new Murphy location last June. No host since then. I had 730k tier score last year; hub about a million. We still got what we wanted in terms of suites, event tix, etc. but no "coddling." We have not been to a CET property yet this year and no one is calling us. I'm more than a tad miffed and disappointed. I guess it's the lack of competition or just poor player relations.

We've been to Turning Stone in Verona, NY a few times while visiting step daughter in Albany area and the host there has been falling all over himself to make us happy. Take note Cherokee!

Hope everyone has a wonderful day.

[DaBurglar]

Days and days of bad results are bad for morale, ours and the casino's. Been there but usually have a decent day where I recoup some. Cherokee, NC contracts a massage service. My husband plays black jack and seems every time I check on him, one of the girls is working on him (yeah, that's meant as a double entendre). He's a generous tipper. Occasionally he sends one to me but I don't like it! I'm there to play and it's more distracting than relaxing. If I want a massage I'll go to the spa where that's my only focus.

Speaking of hosts, mine and my husband's went from Cherokee to the new Murphy location last June. No host since then. I had 730k tier score last year; hub about a million. We still got what we wanted in terms of suites, event tix, etc. but no "coddling." We have not been to a CET property yet this year and no one is calling us. I'm more than a tad miffed and disappointed. I guess it's the lack of competition or just poor player relations.

We've been to Turning Stone in Verona, NY a few times while visiting step daughter in Albany area and the host there has been falling all over himself to make us happy. Take note Cherokee!

Hope everyone has a wonderful day.Very interesting Buff......can I ask where you currently reside/live?  You dont obviously have to tell me the specifics, just general area/location so I get a sense of how far away you currently reside from places you play.......Also, I appreciate what you shared regarding your experiences with CET hosts.....I have seen similar trends, where all the special treatment (what you called "coddling") is gone, and they simply give (or not) the benefits they feel you still deserve (rooms, tickets, a buffet  etc etc)      I myself am totally fine with this type of treatment, as I could care less about the "Coddling" and only care about getting my free rooms and occasional free Buffet!    Oh, and some free slot play once in a while is expected too......

[DaBurglar]

     Don't want to take up too much vp time here. I'll save the detail for when we meet some day soon. Also this is the internet so.....Anyway dad and mom met in the states. Dad was in the Army band. Rudy Vallee used to buy a case of beer for the band. He would come around later and collect the emptys for the deposit. Mom had a civilian job one of which near the end of the war was to process German prisoners on an old Royal manual typewriter. An SS Officer being processed and still in uniform pulled a small knife from his lapel she thinks to slit his throat or it could have been to take out one more of ours. She was just 3 feet away. He was immediately tackled and dragged away. She never saw him again. Near the end of the war, many of the German soldiers she processed were just kids. When Red Skelton performed for the troops, he cracked up the band so much, they could hardly play.Wow, thank you olds for sharing that......I definitely will look forward to one day meeting you so that you can share in greater depth and detail all of his stories and experiences, and likewise all your MOM's stories as well, since she clearly has her own perspective on the history and time period ......

[JT]

+1     Thanks for adding your own weight & verification to my comments, thus the readers will know this is not simply me bashing tramp taj & AC again.....If the Taj goes (which is now all but a certainty), then Resorts AC is sure to follow, unless by some miracle SOMEONE somewhere can see their way to actually purchasing the TAJ and keeping it going as a casino-resort.    I guess we could hope that Mohegan might buy the Taj and simply expand their holding of Resorts to engulf and include the TAJ;  turn it all into a SUPER-CASINO/resort  which rivals the connecticut property.There is simply no way resorts AC can survive a Trump Taj closing, not under current circumstances, and certainly not if the steel pier goes with the TAJ, as that would all but KILL the vital SUMMERTIME tourist traffic that gravitates to that end of the boardwalk.    With the loss of 2 more casinos, AC is totally bereft of any future, and will have to permanently remain under the state's direct management and in receivership.Please don't take my comment on the sad state of the Taj to be an endorsement of your general AC vitriol.  I'm commenting on the state of the property  (which is, admittedly, dire... and it's also sad for me to go there because my Mom and I used to go to the Taj weekly, and now she's passed, so I don't go there for several reasons) not the state of gaming in general.  You seem to espouse that the gaming is rigged in AC... and yet, you continue to visit AC and play there, which seems like an exercise in cognitive dissonance.  But that's your battle and you can have at it. The only thing we'll agree on with this topic is that the Boardwalk is a mess and the city and state cronies have robbed AC blind, and failed to respond to competition from nearby states.

[Buffilita]

DaBug, I live in upstate SC where the drive to Cherokee, NC is just over 2 hours. That's our "home" casino. We used to go about twice a month and spend 2-3 days at a time there. Both hub and I are high limit players. Always get a suite, comped meals, once a month host cash of $1500-$2500 in addition to free play offers, shopping comps of $1000-$2000, comped spa treatments, pretty much whatever we wanted.

Not all CET properties have consistent policies. For example, we know in LV to spend our reward credits in the stores there, otherwise they are used by the casino before comping anything. We have a great host at the Rio who always puts us up in the Palazzo Suites and gives us what he can, based on current offers. He doesn't seem to have much leeway in terms of comps vs reward credits, and I don't know if that's a CET thing or Nevada as a whole. That's why we do our shopping early to dwindle our reward credits.

Our experience at Caesar's in AC is they reward play after the fact. Doesn't matter that we're both 7 Stars many times over. They assess our play then reward free play for the next visit (when the timing never works for us).

I remember Bob Dancer saying in an earlier thread that the longer you stay away from CET properties, the better your offers will get cause they want you back. I was told by the powers that be at Cherokee that free play offers are based on last month's average daily play, so the more you go and play, the more they give you. We have not been there since November and our offers have been consistent, if not a bit higher. Another example, at the Harrah's Murphy, NC location, I started off getting $100 free play a month (big whoop)but it's now up to $750. We've only been there once. I think maybe they miss us

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=DaBurglar]+1     Thanks for adding your own weight & verification to my comments, thus the readers will know this is not simply me bashing tramp taj & AC again.....If the Taj goes (which is now all but a certainty), then Resorts AC is sure to follow, unless by some miracle SOMEONE somewhere can see their way to actually purchasing the TAJ and keeping it going as a casino-resort.    I guess we could hope that Mohegan might buy the Taj and simply expand their holding of Resorts to engulf and include the TAJ;  turn it all into a SUPER-CASINO/resort  which rivals the connecticut property.There is simply no way resorts AC can survive a Trump Taj closing, not under current circumstances, and certainly not if the steel pier goes with the TAJ, as that would all but KILL the vital SUMMERTIME tourist traffic that gravitates to that end of the boardwalk.    With the loss of 2 more casinos, AC is totally bereft of any future, and will have to permanently remain under the state's direct management and in receivership.Please don't take my comment on the sad state of the Taj to be an endorsement of your general AC vitriol.  I'm commenting on the state of the property  (which is, admittedly, dire... and it's also sad for me to go there because my Mom and I used to go to the Taj weekly, and now she's passed, so I don't go there for several reasons) not the state of gaming in general.  You seem to espouse that the gaming is rigged in AC... and yet, you continue to visit AC and play there, which seems like an exercise in cognitive dissonance.  But that's your battle and you can have at it. The only thing we'll agree on with this topic is that the Boardwalk is a mess and the city and state cronies have robbed AC blind, and failed to respond to competition from nearby states. [/QUOTE]Yeah sure.....I think if you really re-read my post above in enthusiastic approval of YOUR post, you will see that I am pretty much limiting my comments to Trump Taj and the probable fallout from their inevitable closure (inevitable at this point, UNLESS a lot of things change or improve in the next several months.)I "espouse" that gaming (specifically VIDEO POKER) in AC in general is NOT consistent with normal video poker statistical results, and a lot of people agree with me on this....and of course a lot do not agree, so I guess you can put yourself in that group as well.     In attempting to EXPLAIN why the video poker results in AC are so consistently "off" i put forth a number of theories, which I attempt to support with what I learn and observe.    I do not take it for granted that everything is "exactly how it should be"......not anymore I don't!   Not after witnessing and seeing the variety of corruption and incompetence and total cluelessness that has overtaken AC, which you yourself clearly AGREE has happened, with your concluding sentence:"The only thing we'll agree on with this topic is that the Boardwalk is a
mess and the city and state cronies have robbed AC blind, and failed to
respond to competition from nearby states. "I would simply ask you to heed your own words and consider, IF AC is indeed in such horrible shape to where the boardwalk is indeed a "mess" and the TAJ itself is crumbling around the few players (like me) who still stay there, and IF the city/state leaders have been so incompetent and corrupt that they squandered and wasted and "robbed" (your word) all the revenue over the years without putting anything back into the city, and have been so lazy and incompetent and clueless as to ALLOW nearly 60% of its business to simply "evaporate" in less than 7 years, WHY pray tell is it so difficult for you to imagine that in this environment of corruption and incompetence and malaise that there COULD be some "rigging" of a large portion of the video poker games at some of the casinos???    Seriously, why would that be so hard to believe or fathom given all else that is happening (not to mention the absurd state of the NJ gaming commish which I have detailed in other threads)?Edited to add:  the question you ask though, about WHY still play in AC if they are rigged, is fair, and I think I have answered it several times already, but to reiterate, even though I have my strong suspicions and doubts, I obviously still lack the TOTAL and complete proof (but it slowly is getting stronger and stronger....)   Plus, I have said it before, I LOVE AC and the layout of the place, and I guess I am pining for the possibility that things will eventually stabilize and return to semi-normalcy;   I have overall cut back A LOT on my video poker play and it is still the best place outside of VEGAS for a LIVE poker player to pursue his craft (which is my focus now, although I have not given up completely on video poker).....

[DaBurglar]

DaBug, I live in upstate SC where the drive to Cherokee, NC is just over 2 hours. That's our "home" casino. We used to go about twice a month and spend 2-3 days at a time there. Both hub and I are high limit players. Always get a suite, comped meals, once a month host cash of $1500-$2500 in addition to free play offers, shopping comps of $1000-$2000, comped spa treatments, pretty much whatever we wanted.

Not all CET properties have consistent policies. For example, we know in LV to spend our reward credits in the stores there, otherwise they are used by the casino before comping anything. We have a great host at the Rio who always puts us up in the Palazzo Suites and gives us what he can, based on current offers. He doesn't seem to have much leeway in terms of comps vs reward credits, and I don't know if that's a CET thing or Nevada as a whole. That's why we do our shopping early to dwindle our reward credits.

Our experience at Caesar's in AC is they reward play after the fact. Doesn't matter that we're both 7 Stars many times over. They assess our play then reward free play for the next visit (when the timing never works for us).

I remember Bob Dancer saying in an earlier thread that the longer you stay away from CET properties, the better your offers will get cause they want you back. I was told by the powers that be at Cherokee that free play offers are based on last month's average daily play, so the more you go and play, the more they give you. We have not been there since November and our offers have been consistent, if not a bit higher. Another example, at the Harrah's Murphy, NC location, I started off getting $100 free play a month (big whoop)but it's now up to $750. We've only been there once. I think maybe they miss us Thanks Buff, this is good info for people to consider, including myself......I never vested myself into CET properties to the extent you have (i.e.  I am not 7 star, and only was a diamond for a couple years in 2011/12)   I tend to spread my play around so that I get the basic comps that mean the most to me, like rooms, food and a lot of smaller slot play offers.....I never was comfortable with putting all my "eggs in one basket", so to speak, when it comes to playing exclusively at one company's properties.