Bob Dancer LasVegasAdvisor 6-14-2016 Article

[notes1]

If a teacher has a student that keeps insisting one plus one sometimes equals five, is it harsh to correct them?
Even if they are not his students, if a person is giving out bad information, the people who are reading the bad info should hear the corrections.
Pissing your money away on crappy games doesn't mean that no one can succeed playing good games.

someone who posts a picture of a big win, and then your hero proceeds to criticize them for playing a bad machine, does not deserve it. they were not giving advice.

[FloridaPhil]

What frustrates Mr. Dancer is the fact that most people play video poker for fun and won't do what it takes to win long term even if they have a choice.   He acts as though video poker is all there is to life and that video poker math is some kind of religion.  If he would stop sniping at anyone who disagrees with his playing style, he would win more converts than attempting to bully them into submission.   There is absolutely nothing wrong with Bob Dancer's message, but you don't have to follow it to enjoy the game and you shouldn't be demeaned for choosing to play your own way.

[notes1]

he has indeed often stated that positive opportunities exist in most every casino. what is not stated is that those opportunities may only be available on a higher denomination machine and for a very limited time. this is beyond the comfort level for most players.

and talking about needing to get a fix, I play once or twice a month. I did not need to move to vegas. talk about addicted.

[FloridaPhil]

Video Poker is a big tent and there's room for everyone in the game.  Professionals play their way because it works. There is no doubt that many recreational players also find this strategy beneficial.  It is also a fact that using this strategy on a negative game will continue to deliver a negative result no matter how skilled you are.  It is also a fact that betting bigger on negative games will cause your loses to be bigger as well.   Everyone's playing environment, bankroll, skill level and motivations are different.  Why shouldn't the strategies?

[billryan]

Because math is universal. Using anything less than the correct mathematical strategy is boneheaded, no matter the stakes or your bankroll.
To argue otherwise is akin to saying four to a straight is better than four to a flush, depending on ones bankroll.

[grassroots1972]

Mr. Dancer helped me with back and forth emails until the depth of my questions became necessary for him to suggest I could pay for his services. I understood that without questions. He 'helped me'. Key phrase. Thanks, Bob. Never see you at the Palms any longer. 10x points today for video poker today! Better come out, Bob! Thanks again.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=billryan]Using anything less than the correct
mathematical strategy is boneheaded, no matter the stakes or your
bankroll.[/quote]Betting smaller on a negative video poker game reduces your loses.  Betting bigger increases them. The math says the best way to play negative games is to bet as small and slow as possible because you will lose less.   Unless playing max coins tilts the overall odds positive including comps, it's a bigger loser than playing single coin.If this statement is true and it is, why doesn't everyone who plays negative games play single coin at the lowest denomination possible?  The reason is they play for enjoyment of the game and not for money.  There is nothing boneheaded about adjusting your play to meet your own personal goals.   What's boneheaded is thinking everyone wants the same thing out of the game.

[billryan]

If playing at full coin has a 99% payback, and playing single coin has a 97% payback, in the long run,which will give better results? Short term results are meaningless, in the long run.
That's the magic of math. You can twist it, you can bend it, you can abuse it, but ultimately, there is only correct answer.

[ko king]

If playing at full coin has a 99% payback, and playing single coin has a 97% payback, in the long run,which will give better results? Short term results are meaningless, in the long run.
That's the magic of math. You can twist it, you can bend it, you can abuse it, but ultimately, there is only correct answer.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. If you play 100,000 hands at the $1 denomination always playing max coin and you hit the 99% payback you still lose $5K. If you play 100,000 hands at the $1 denomination and play single coin and hit the 97% payback you lose $3K. Which option would you choose?

[billryan]

[QUOTE=billryan] If playing at full coin has a 99% payback, and playing single coin has a 97% payback, in the long run,which will give better results? Short term results are meaningless, in the long run.
That's the magic of math. You can twist it, you can bend it, you can abuse it, but ultimately, there is only correct answer.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. If you play 100,000 hands at the $1 denomination always playing max coin and you hit the 99% payback you still lose $5K. If you play 100,000 hands at the $1 denomination and play single coin and hit the 97% payback you lose $3K. Which option would you choose?[/QUOTE]

You aren't factoring cash back, free play or any other club benefits. The rewards on $500k will dwarf those on 100k.