Deuces Wild Math

[FloridaPhil]

The Tampa Hard Rock Deuces Wild pay tables give us an interesting
opportunity to take a closer look at single coin play and when it might
be advantageous.  We all know royals are the ultimate goal of video
poker, but is going for one at all cost always the best option? The Tampa single line Deuces Wild quarter max coin
odds are as follows 20/12/9/4/4/3/2/1 or 97.055% (fooler deuces).  The 50 cent play and
up odds are  25/15/11/4/4/3/2/1 or 98.9%. This makes the 50 cent and
higher single coin game better by almost 1.5%.   At single coin, the
higher denomination game pays 97.686% which makes it a better game than max coin quarters by  a little over .5%.I enjoy playing $20 at a time at max coin quarters and switching to max coin dollar play each time the counter reaches $25 or more. I return to quarters at $20.  In Tampa instead of playing max coin quarters, I'm better by more than .5% to play single coin dollars and hit the max coin button at $25.  This cuts my loses at the lower denomination play while boosting my odds at max coins.   

[onemoretry]

Didn't you mean to say 25/15/9/4/4/3/2/1 for the 98.9% game?

[FloridaPhil]

Yes.  The five of a kind payback varies quite a bit in our area.  The Tampa Hard Rock 50 cent and higher odds are 25/15/9/4/4/3/2/1 or 98.9%.  This all assumes you believe the odds have a significant affect on the outcome.  I believe they do over time, especially if you play a lot of hands like I do. Better odds let you play longer which gives you more chances at a jackpot.

[wildman49]

I still enjoy the one coin play from time to time, its a bankroll saver. We are not trying to make a living playing VP just trying to play even and having fun doing it. I have played max bet 99% of the time this year but I really have a hard time with the swings in bankroll. It's a big relief when the royal hits but waiting for it is a rough one for me. 

[olds442jetaway]

I am having a lot of fun with this game at Mohegan Sun and holding my own. I would be way ahead if I could hit a Royal once in awhile, but they continue to elude me. Anyway, I may have mentioned it before. It is an All Star machine Bonus Deuces Wild with a 98.2% paytable. 20/12/4/3/3/1/1. The good thing about it is it pays 800 for 1 for just bet 1. This is a dollar machine and there is only one of them. It has to be set on spin poker, but most times, I just play the center line. If I have a nice hit, I play 3 lines for a hand or two. I can't tell you how many times the 5 Aces have bailed me out when the quad deuces aren't hitting. I was lucky today. Less than 2 minutes into the game, I hit quad deuces with the kicker and that was good for 400 bucks with just a dollar bet. I don't have to agonize over going for straights or inside straights which I do with regular deuces wild. Since the straights just pay 1 for 1 , I don't have to go for them. There are a few holds in the strategy that I prefer not to do, but I go with the math anyway, like tossing a dealt straight and instead going the wild royal with 1 deuce and two high cards. Also today, after hitting a dealt straight flush, I decided to play 3 lines which cost me 3 bucks a shot for a couple of hands. I got dealt 5 Aces so I had them on all 3 lines. This is the only machine in the casino with this paytable and the correct Royal payout for bet 1. I hope they don't pull the game.

[FloridaPhil]

I like the Tampa strategy whenever I run into a stinky quarter odds vs. decent dollar odds situation.  This seems to be the norm in the southeast where we play the majority of the time.  If I can find 98.9% or greater odds in quarters as well, I play max coin quarters and move to max coin dollars.  Most players are so conditioned to believe max coins is the only way to play they won't consider any other option.  The odds of hitting a max coin $1 quad deuce for $1,000 are nine times greater than hitting a max coin quarter royal  for the same money every 45,000 hands (deuces).   I like those chances.  All you are giving up playing this way is $750 for a short coin dollar royal and they are just as rare.  In the last two years I have hit two $4,000 royals and numerous $1,000 quad deuces using this strategy.  That's a four times better pay day than playing max coin quarters all the time. Professional strategies promoted and sold to players are predicated on playing overall 100% games. Under 100% the rules change, the math changes and so should the strategies.  No one should conclude that short coin or max coins is the only way to play.  I believe players should adapt their strategies to the odds and conditions they are confronted with as they play.

[FAA]

No one should conclude that short coin or max coins is the only way to
play.  Players should adapt their strategies to the odds and
conditions they are confronted with as they play.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I have always believed this. My bankroll is limited, so I swerve in and out of max coin as the spirit moves me. If it's hot, I find myself doing up to 25% more max coin in an attempt to hit the JOB quad and vamoose. If it's cold, I am usually too engrossed to move, so I must throttle it down to stay on the machine in the usually futile hope it rebounds.

[FloridaPhil]

The Tampa single coin dollar strategy works well for me when coupled with a $100 cash out stop limit.  Even if I don't hit a quad deuce or a royal, I always have a few tickets to cash so I don't go home broke which is what often happens when I play max coin quarters all day.

[FAA]

Max coin feels so wasteful when 55% of the results are losers. Spend during the perceived hot cycle. Now that's gambling money well spent!

[olds442jetaway]

Minor correction to my post below. The straight flush on the dollar Bonus Wild game pays 13 making it nearly a 99 percent game. I'll take that any day in today's environment. Since the powers to be have spoken that I will never get another Royal ( 700k ) hands now since my last one in Jan, I am content to play this game and hope for quad deuces with a kicker, quad deuces, or even 5 Aces. So far, I have yet to not hit one of the above while playing this game. I am playing more multi line now, but only up to 3 lines on this spin poker game. That is why you see so many hands played so far this year. Unfortunately, I have found if I just play the center line, I see the bigger hands come in above and below many many times. I don't know if this is part of some sort of seeding of the rng, or just pure unluck, or something else. The other day, I tossed out a junk center line hand while playing just the center line. Sure enough, the top and bottom lines came back with low number 5 of a kinds, leaving me with nothing on the center line. So far I am holding my own still with very minimal losses even without the Royal and more sessions than not, an absence of quad deuces as well. The 5 aces continue to bail me out and the wild royals and low number 5 of a kinds have been hitting pretty well too. I only need a couple of hundred more status points to hit level 3 which will be good till next March. After I get the status, I can then start making my Foxwoods trips to see what happens over there. In the interim, I will have comp rooms at Mohegan, until if warranted, I build up my credits over there. Good luck to all.