Playing Like a Vegas Local?

[case]

You should go over to South Point and take one of Dancers VP classes. I would pay to see you introduce yourself at the end of class to mister Dancer. *L*

[Sea Lion]

I will be in Vegas same time as you Phil. Arrive August 22 and leave August 30. We never stay on the strip. Three nights at Sams Town, three downtown at the California and the last two at Gold Coast. Have a couple tournaments to play in as well. We move around to take advantage of the free rooms. The Boyd casinos give us more rooms than we can use each month.

I like Red Rock but it is a long way out there. Enjoy your trip!I was at Sam's Town with my wife for 7x VP earlier today. I'm really not in the position to be high-rollin right now, but I decided to sit down and play cheap strategy 9/7/5 DB quarters, only betting 1 coin - 25 cents per hand. On my 3rd $20 in, right as it went down to $14.75, I'm dealt A,K,Q,J of diamonds. I rarely hit a RF on dealt 4 to the royal, but this time I'll be damned and on the draw, the 10 of diamonds is dealt for the RF. Only downfall is that is was a $62.50 RF and not a $1000 RF. I wouldn't have been able to play as long as I did if I bet 5 quarters on each hand and I would have left there broke if done so, but on the other hand I was able to play for about 3 hours and leave $8 bux up by the time I was done!  

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=SeaLion]I wouldn't have been able to play as long as I did if I bet 5 quarters
on each hand and I would have left there broke if done so, but on the
other hand I was able to play for about 3 hours and leave $8 bux up by
the time I was done![/quote]That's the trade off you have when playing CS.  Assuming you were playing a negative game, you traded more hands played and less potential losses for the short coin royal.  If you are going to play CS, you must treat all wins as positive.  I don't want to get into any discussions of CS on this forum.  It's a recreational strategy and belongs on that forum.[quote=case]You should go over to South Point and take one of Dancers VP classes. I
would pay to see you introduce yourself at the end of class to mister
Dancer. *L*[/quote]Personally, I am at peace with Mr. Dancer.   I think he is a great addition to this forum and I hope he returns soon.  If I ever meet him, I would like to ask him some questions about negative game strategy.  He says he never plays them which in my view leaves most players in the dark with no strategy or worse a strategy that doesn't work on a negative game.  As 98% of video poker players play these games, all I have attempted to do was fill that gap.  I would welcome an open discussion with him on this topic and think we would agree much more than anyone thinks, but I seriously doubt that will ever happen.I have never criticized his strategy or methodology when it comes to playing positive games.  I am skeptical of his reported profits from VP alone, but those are my opinions and we're all better off if I keep them to myself.  It doesn't matter what the actual numbers are anyway.  The fact that he has made any money playing the game is noteworthy and his advice should be considered by anyone serious about the game.

[olds442jetaway]

The only way I can beat neg exp games in the short run is to pick a game like Bonus Deuces Wild and bet the amount I need to be even when the cheapest premium hand hits. Then when the upper premium hands hit, you are way ahead of the game. This has worked well for 2 months. I don't know how long it will last without my bets getting too high. At least for me, the cheaper premium hand should have a return of as close to 100 for one as possible. Then while waiting for that hit, you might hit quad deuces at 200 for 1, quad deuces with an ace at 400 to one, or rarely the royal at 800 for 1. I use 5 Aces as a guide for the cheapest premium hand to try and hit. So far, while waiting for that one, I have hit all of the others in recent weeks. Remember this is short run only. Ask me again a year from now.....

[FloridaPhil]

I have been saying essentially the same thing for years.  I only wish Forum members would read "all" the post before they jump to conclusions and assume something that is not said.  Any comment or strategy in reference to negative games does not conflict with Bob Dancer in any way.  Bob has stated many times he would never play one.  I am talking to the 98% who play negative games by choice or because that's all they have available. Bob will tell you that the best way to play a negative video poker game is as cheaply and slowly as possible.  Strategies like CS and Olds442jetaway's limit loses while keeping the game playable.  The fact that someone wins long term using them is dependent on luck.   You could argue the same thing about Dancer's strategy, but there is math behind it.  I think all winning at gambling is up to luck, but that's my personal opinion not shared by all members of this forum.

[billryan]

I have been saying essentially the same thing for years.  I only wish Forum members would read "all" the post before they jump to conclusions and assume something that is not said.  Any comment or strategy in reference to negative games does not conflict with Bob Dancer in any way.  Bob has stated many times he would never play one.  I am talking to the 98% who play negative games by choice or because that's all they have available. Bob will tell you that the best way to play a negative video poker game is as cheaply and slowly as possible.  Strategies like CS and Olds442jetaway's limit loses while keeping the game playable.  The fact that someone wins long term using them is dependent on luck.   You could argue the same thing about Dancer's strategy, but there is math behind it.  I think all winning at gambling is up to luck, but that's my personal opinion not shared by all members of this forum.








Can you show me where he ever said that the best way to play a negative game is to play cheap and slow?

[alpax]

Can you show me where he ever said that the best way to play a negative game is to play cheap and slow?

I will respond to the other posts made earlier, but here is Mr. Dancer's mockery of an effective way to play the negative game (on bottom of Page 1).

http://forum.videopoker.com/forum/forum ... p?TID=7713

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=BillRyan]Can you show me where he ever said that the best way to play a negative game is to play cheap and slow?[/quote]Mr. Dancer does not talk about negative games much at all, but  he has discussed this particular issue.   Please note that no one including me has said there was a consistent way to win playing negative games.   I said there was a best way to limit your loses.  For those who are mathematically challenged here's the logic.A negative video poker game is any game where the odds including comps are less than 100% with perfect play.  The math says you will lose long term playing these games because the house has an edge.  The more you bet, the more you lose.  The longer you play, the more you lose.  This does not concern Mr. Dancer because he never plays any game unless he has the advantage.   You can limit your loses on a negative game in two ways.  One is to bet less on each hand because it decreases the amount of your loss.  The other is to play slower because you lose less per hour.   Are there any questions or disagreements with these statements?

[billryan]

So when you specifically said that Bob would say blah blah blah about playing a negative game, you knew he, in fact, would never say anything remotely like that.

That's bad form. Very bad form. I believe you owe him an apology, and please don't post , shall we say , misinformation like that. It's below you.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=billryan]So when you specifically said that Bob would say blah blah blah about
playing a negative game, you knew he, in fact, would never say anything
remotely like that.[/quote]It sounds like you are more concerned with baiting me into another word fight than considering the actual truth in the math.  If you dispute my math state why.    If all you want is to instigate trouble, I think this forum would be better off without it.Here is a Bob Dancer quote made on this forum on February 4th, 2016 at 11:10 PM."The single coin betting on a negative pay schedule was never a problem for me. You lose less that way ---..." Bob Dancer