Bob Dancer's Free VP Classes at Southpoint

[paco13]

Seems close to the time frame East coast US VP took a turn for the worse.

[billryan]

Two classes yesterday. Nice turnout for the first class.
Double Bonus Poker. Not a game I play, but later is a class on Quick Quads using Double Bonus.
Jacks or Better has 18 rules and pays 99.54 at SP.
Best Double Bonus game there pays 99.11 and has 24 rules, many that are counter-intuitive and are only for this game. I don't know why people play a more complicated game that pays less.

[alpax]

There is some value in learning 9/7 Double Bonus even though it was only the beginners class and it is one of the most toughest game variant to master its strategy.

Not all places in Vegas have full pay Jacks or Better available, the availability is dwindling. Though this game theoretically returns less than Jacks or Better as you've described, it is even more seldom to find this game nationwide as well. This Double Bonus variant might be the second best offered (only to full pay Bonus Poker) at a good amount casinos such as Mandalay Bay, Hard Rock Las Vegas, and the SLS Las Vegas.

Not as nearly as popular as its Double Double Bonus or Triple Double Bonus counterpart, but most recreational players prefer to play more volatile games than Jacks or Better (28.3 Variance for DB) to get a chance at short term luck and experience being a big winner for a day's visit to the casino.

With a couple of minor adjustments to the 9/7 pay schedule such as holding onto two pairs when one of the pairs are aces, you can easily transfer the knowledge towards 10/7 Double Bonus which average payout is over 100% and is widely available at most of the Stations casinos.

I took a few potshots at the Double Bonus game while stopping by the Mandalay Bay last year and it went decent, I think most players are not accustomed to holding 3 to a flush, since it pays 7 for 1 it is a worthwhile play.

[billryan]

Only one class today.
Quick Quads Double Bonus.
Twice as many rules as JOB, and some you just can't see.
My head hurt by the last question on the test.
No pain, no gain.
I've played a bit of Quick Quads, and some Quick Quads Wheel bonus and learned today I was totally clueless and only a couple max wheel spins and quads on the drawer saved me.

[Vman96]

Best Double Bonus game there pays 99.11 and has 24 rules, many that are counter-intuitive and are only for this game. I don't know why people play a more complicated game that pays less.

I would never recommend anyone to play it at 9/7/5 unless it is the best choice by a good margin. Most 7 for 1 flush games are a pain. But 9/7/5 DB is a breeze vs. 2 pair Joker Poker. That is straight up evil.

[alpax]

I would never recommend anyone to play it at 9/7/5 unless it is the best choice by a good margin. Most 7 for 1 flush games are a pain. But 9/7/5 DB is a breeze vs. 2 pair Joker Poker. That is straight up evil.

It is rather rare to have that circumstance. I did find one place through a vpFREE search and stopped after finding just one.

Harrah's Ak-Chin in Arizona, it is reported that 9/7 DB and 9/5 Jacks or Better for the $5 denomination ($25 coin in per tier credit). At that point it has to be considered that a quad on the Double Bonus will produce W2Gs, those that do not have a high income will be severely affected by it since their AGI will rise faster.

I do understand the point, it takes quite a bit of practice and study more than 9/6 DDB or Airport Deuces Wild which pays slightly less.

In between there is $1 Airport Deuces at $10 coin in per tier credit. I would play that instead if they still have it, but I do not have plans to make it out there.

[ukaserex]

Is there value to the class beyond what's in Dancer's book? And the software that teaches best play for a given game?

[alpax]

Is there value to the class beyond what's in Dancer's book? And the software that teaches best play for a given game?

I am fairly certain there is value to attend any one of these seminars. Based on the writing, Mr. Dancer is very skilled at conveying concepts, which is very vital to being a teacher/instructor. I heard he is open to answering questions during or after the seminar. Mr. Dancer also prepares beforehand to answer the toughest questions coming his way.

For the software wise, Video Poker for Winners covers most of the games taught during on the curriculum.

9/6 Jacks or Better
9/6 Double Double Bonus
9/7 Double Bonus
9-4-4 Bonus Deuces Wild
NSU Deuces Wild
9/6 Bonus Poker Deluxe
9/6 Jacks or Better Multi Strike

You will need GOLD membership on this website to practice

9/7 Double Bonus Quick Quads

There is no commercial software to train for

8/6 Bonus Deluxe Ultimate X (this is a big risk and the most difficult to grasp for novice video poker players)

"What Video Poker Players Should Know About Slot Clubs" is one course that will always change each semester based on the current situations of other casinos and not just at Southpoint.

[billryan]

Advanced NSUD today, and my head was spinning. I'd already decided I'd stick to Basic for now, which I have pretty much down, but for me the amount of work it would require to memorize every deviation just isn't worth it. For a quarter player,it comes to about twenty cents an hour and involves knowing one play has an EV of a fraction of a cent more than another.
It's as if you decided instead of the game having 50 different things to know, you kept the top 47 and divided the last three things into 53, just so you can claim the game has one hundred variations.
I understand why Bob teaches it, as it's good to push oneself mentally, but I can live without that extra two dollars a week playing part time quarters.

[Vman96]

"What Video Poker Players Should Know About Slot Clubs" is one course that will always change each semester based on the current situations of other casinos and not just at Southpoint.

This has to be the most valuable class by far. Any of the others can mostly be substituted by good (including his own) software.

Advanced NSUD today, and my head was spinning. I'd already decided I'd stick to Basic for now, which I have pretty much down, but for me the amount of work it would require to memorize every deviation just isn't worth it. For a quarter player,it comes to about twenty cents an hour and involves knowing one play has an EV of a fraction of a cent more than another.
It's as if you decided instead of the game having 50 different things to know, you kept the top 47 and divided the last three things into 53, just so you can claim the game has one hundred variations.
I understand why Bob teaches it, as it's good to push oneself mentally, but I can live without that extra two dollars a week playing part time quarters.


This is my biggest knock against the man along with his generally blunt tone vs. those that disagree with him. The last 0.01% means very little if there is a better play worth 0.50% or more down the street. The main key is analyzing comps, not perfect play. Hell, I have met AxelWolf on WoV, and he definitely doesn't worry about the small crap.