New guy max coin question

[Soccercw]

Hey all, new to the Forum and somewhat new to VP. I'm one of those guys who's tired of taking that quick big hit at the tables and I'm looking to extend my budget while minimizing my risk.

The first game I've learned and the only one I've played so far is 9/6 JOB at the 99.54 strategy. I'm within driving distance of Atlantic City where there are plenty of $0.25 machines at this level.

I'm sure this question has been asked so I tried to search through the forums but couldn't find the specific answer. How big of a percentage hit is playing anything less than max coin for 9/6 JOB?

Obviously the royal flush is significantly less but on the other hand less than max coin gives you the chance tobhang around longer on a bad day.

I have two different mentalities when I go to Atlantic City. If I'm staying there for one or two nights my goal is to make my money last as long as possible. If it's a day trip I want to leave with more then I came with or the same when possible. Just trying to figure out how big of a hit it is to drop from that 5 coin play.

-Mike

[wildman49]

Mike VP is a crazy game I have hit 5 royals in one month and went months without hitting one. Since you are new I would tell you to only play max coin. For every $1000 you put through the machine you will lose about $25 if there is no royal. Even more if the 4 of a kinds don't come in on time. The .46% plus the 2% for no royal will get you to the $25 loss per 1k give or take. Good luck and practice perfect play before you go, freeslots.com has a trainer there that can help you short term but good software is your best bet.   

[Soccercw]

Appreciate the response discovered the concept of playing video poker over some of the table games I was playing via wizard of odds. I picked up his minimal 99.46 "simple" strategy quickly and am now working towards the optimal numbers.

[billryan]

Are there .25 cent 9-6 JOB games in AC?
Playing single coin drops 9-6 down to less than 98%, and makes long term success almost impossible.

[Soccercw]

Are there .25 cent 9-6 JOB games in AC?
Playing single coin drops 9-6 down to less than 98%, and makes long term success almost impossible.

There are plenty of them. That percent drop was exactly what I was looking for. Wasn't sure how much further below 99.54% playing single coin brings you

[FloridaPhil]

If you can play quarter 9/6 jacks, I would definitely play max coins. In Jacks or Better the only big jackpot is the royal.   No way I would want to wait 40,000 hands to hit a royal then hit one for $62.50.  Personally, I choose to play single coin if the overall odds including comps are less than 98% and I need to stretch my play over more than a few hours.  The lower the odds the more hitting a royal costs you over time.  I believe there is a point in the odds where playing single coin makes sense as long as you are willing to risk the pain of a short coin royal.  Most players are not. 

[alpax]

It takes much more effort to properly play single coin strategy with a shorted 250 for 1 Royal Flush on Jacks or Better.

A person playing single coin and a person playing maximum coin will stand to lose very very similar amount over the long run from the game itself. But the person betting maximum coin will stand to gain much more comps than the single coin bettor.

In other words, single coin players will lose more than max coin players.

[Soccercw]

It takes much more effort to properly play single coin strategy with a shorted 250 for 1 Royal Flush on Jacks or Better.

A person playing single coin and a person playing maximum coin will stand to lose very very similar amount over the long run from the game itself. But the person betting maximum coin will stand to gain much more comps than the single coin bettor.

In other words, single coin players will lose more than max coin players.

Appreciate the response. I'm sure there are one hundred posts similar to mine so thank you in advance for everyone's patience with my simple question. I went from being the superstitious throw money at the wall kind of casual gambler to a more cerebral person. My goal is to minimize edge and earn the highest return on dollar+comps for my dollar. I'm under no illusions that I will over time come out on top so my goal is to lose the least while gaining the most out of those losses.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=alpax]But the person betting maximum coin will stand to gain much more comps than the single coin bettor.
[/quote]Good point.  If you only play single coin quarters you will most likely not be receiving any mailers or free play.  In my case I noticed an instant and dramatic decrease in both whenever I have done so.  For this reason, I always pulled my player's card whenever I played single coin quarters.  I believe it's better for the casino to think you didn't play at all than to play that cheapInterestingly enough, my comps playing single coin dollars were comparable to my max coin quarter play.  I no longer recommend any single coin play unless you need to limit your loses to a bare minimum irregardless of comps or free play. [quote=Soccercw]My goal is to minimize edge and earn the highest return on dollar+comps
for my dollar. I'm under no illusions that I will over time come out on
top so my goal is to lose the least while gaining the most out of those
losses.[/quote]I believe this is a good attitude to have.   In order to profit from VP long term, a number of factors must all come together.  First, you must have access to overall positive games. Second, you must be able to play computer perfect for years on end.  Third, you must have the pure guts to hang in there and tough it out through the inevitable bad spells.  I don't have any of those things, but I still get a lot of enjoyment from the game.  I've had some very expensive hobbies in my life.  Some I didn't enjoy  nearly as much as I do playing VP.  I believe playing VP can be a comparable bargain if you play the best games and learn to play them well.

[case]

Phil wrote:
8"Good point. If you only play single coin quarters you will most likely not be receiving any mailers or free play. In my case I noticed an instant and dramatic decrease in both whenever I have done so. For this reason, I always pulled my player's card whenever I played single coin quarters. I believe it's better for the casino to think you didn't play at all than to play that cheap"


Phil if you play max coin or one coin the casino could care less. They look at your total coin in per day and that is what they are interested in. If you are playing max coin and then play a few hands of one coin you can leave your card in. If you pull your card each time you switch to one coin it only hurts you as your coin in for the day is less.

However if you are only going to play for a short time one day it is often better not to use your player card at all. Casinos (most) use your daily average coin in to help determine comps. That has been my experience anyway.