When does the RNG decide?

[paco13]

Also Billy, on average the NY Racino's pay back 92%. Oddly enough this year Monticello casino and Raceway was the only place I came out ahead for the year. Go figure.

[paco13]

https://www.gaming.ny.gov/pdf/finance/W ... aceway.pdf

link to financial report for Monticello if any one interested

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=DaBurglar] It depends on which BRAND of game you are playing....consider:I am personally familiar with two main brands, the dominant and ubiquitous  ITG games, and the less frequently seen but still popular  BALLY games.    ITG employs a constantly shuffling/generating RNG which only gives you the desired hands/cards when you hit the deal button.    Likewise when you hit Draw after you discard, the RNG is shuffling until you hit DRAW.With the BALLY games however its different.    The RNG is constantly shuffling UNTIL you hit DEAL>   at that point the Bally games select the first 5 cards of the top of the deck and the remaining 47 cards stay where they are, and when you hit draw it continues drawing from that same deck!  In other words, Bally games deal just like you and your friends would at home in a friendly card game.



I doubt Bally still does it that way. That method is now illegal in Nevada. And Bally VP machines certainly still exist in Nevada.

Sec. 1.400 6. of Technical Standard 1: "Integrity of Gaming Devices"

PDF link to Technical Standard 1 can be found on this page: http://gaming.nv.gov/index.aspx?page=51

6. Additionally, video poker games must not determine replacement cards prior to the player selecting hold cards and initiating a draw.[/QUOTE]Interesting......I did not know that specific detail Vman.     But in hindsight what you just taught me helps me make sense of something else I noticed among the  "OLD"  Bally games that were (and still are) in a few of the AC casinos.....In places like the now dead TAJ, as well as Golden Nugget, there are still many older (before the year 2000) Bally's games.    When you click on  "HELP"  on one of this older games it explains all about the game and how it processes, and it is in that Help section where the Bally Games talk about simply dealing from the top of the deck.   Now, I would like to know if the above NEVADA law  Vman cited is the same or similar in AC?   Has AC oulawed the BAlly  Old style of shuffle and deal?    Is there a "pass" or grandfather clause/exception for the older Bally games, and is that why they still exist in Vegas?Questions abound

[Tedlark]

I believe that Vman could be "implying" that any of the Bally machines may have been converted to comply with Nevada gaming regulations. In order to compare Nevada gaming regulations to Atlantic City regulations couldn't this be accomplished simply by reading each of them?

[Vman96]

Nevada is the only state I have seen so far to explicitly require that video poker cards need to be drawn at the moment the draw button is hit.

So old Bally units may still legally exist in AC where both deal and draw cards may be chosen at the same time. I'm shocked that they are still out there though. And the help menu actually tells you they do it that way? I would love to see a pic of that screen. I'm surprised they even wrote about the replacement card method in the help.


But imo, it is pretty foolish to do it that way from a game integrity standpoint. I think the Nevada regulation is a very smart one.