Are VP Machines Completely Random?

[Raner]

Onemoretry...
You are correct, But if there is a pair or nines or tens and the consecutive straight starts on either pair then the the four to the straight is the correct hold.Just messed up when I posted... Well it's corrected now.

[edog743]

I have asked this before and I will again. If you think VP in the casino is not random I.E. the casino is cheating why go??? I look at it as buyer beware. Hence you have zero right to whine if you know or think the RNG is not random.

[Raner]

Hey Edog... No one is whining... Just asking what you all thought about the video. So kindly F.O....

[onemoretry]

Onemoretry...
You are correct, But if there is a pair or nines or tens and the consecutive straight starts on either pair then the the four to the straight is the correct hold.Just messed up when I posted... Well it's corrected now. I agree with you on the tens, but I think that a pair of nines is superior to a four card straight from the nine up.

[Raner]

Hi Onemoratry... I checked it to verify. According to the training mode on this site, The four to the straight is correct on BP, A's & F, But on J or B the correct hold is the pair of nines... I don't play jacks or better that often but I will remember the nines... Thanks for the comeback...

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=edog743]If you think VP in the casino is not random I.E. the casino is cheating why go???[/quote]A few years ago in Florida some business people thought a window had opened up in the law allowing them to open "mini casinos".  These computer cafes opened up all over in shopping malls and old vacant buildings.  It was good for business as it employed a bunch of people and rented a lot of office space.  The games were networked PCs and that looked a lot like slot machines.  These games were unregulated lotteries and totally rigged with a huge house edge.   Seniors and low income people flocked to these games.  Someone would win once in a while, so no one cared what the house take was.  Eventually, the State shut them all down and threw some people in jail.  My point is many people will gamble even when they positively know the games are rigged.   They complained, but they still gave them their money.  Even today I have people tell me they wish these game parlors were still around. 

[Raner]

What's Up Phil...
A lot of people in Texas are "Chomping at the Bit" for casino gambling. I can't speak for all of Texas but in South Texas in Webb County they have a lot of "Eight Liner Machines". The people that play this machine are in same boat the
people you mentioned on your post.
Gambling on Slot Machines is illegal in Texas (I smell Payola to some Big Wick). There is absolutely no regulations on this machines at all. The people that play them win a few bucks here and there but at the end of the day they always come out on the short end of the stick. I know a lot of them personally they drive 75 miles one way to go play. A lot of them are educated retired people. When I happen to talk to them, I ask them why they don't go play at the Kickapoo an Indian casino that is 150 miles away or go to Louisiana. Most of them reply that the eight liner machines are a lot closer and they can go play for a while and come back home.
The reason I don't go to Kickapoo is because there are no poker machines. Even if they had some
a would not go because all the machines in the casino are class II...(I called to check a while back)
What a Bummer, I want to play video poker not Bingo.

[FloridaPhil]

I've also asked people why they want to play these bad games so much.  Mostly of them are seniors and they tell me it's not the gambling as much as they enjoy getting out of the house and meeting with their friends.  Being a senior myself, I can understand this. One of the problems that is not talked about much is the isolation and boredom of being retired.   One day you are a corporate CEO or a high level manger and the next you are an old man creeping around the super market.   That's why so many seniors stay working or start new careers.  In my opinion, politicians and "do gooders" need to rethink this whole casino gambling idea.  I'm a religious person myself, but I don't think it's my business to legislate other people's morality.   If you are afraid some old lady is going to spend her rent money in a slot machine, let churches put in one coin penny or nickel slots and give the money to charity.  Bingo parlors are all over America and no one is going broke over them.  What's so funny about Florida is the State sells billions of dollars in lotto tickets but wouldn't have casino gambling if it wasn't for the native tribes.  I would love to see Texas put in casino gambling.  I think it would be good for the taxpayers and give Mississippi and Louisiana some competition.  Competition among casinos is a good thing for players as long as you don't create another Atlantic City. 

[Raner]

I would love to see Texas put in casino gambling. 
I think it would be good for the taxpayers and give Mississippi and Louisiana some competition.
Phil you and me both...
I'm no spring chicken turning 65 May 1...
I have a big problem, There doesn't seem to be enough
hours in the day to get all the stuff I need to do out of the way. I don't know how I got all this stuff done when I was working for the man...
Well I'll take that back...I do know I was young and had
to do everything quick... Now I can still do it but it
sure the hell takes me a lot longer...

[onemoretry]

Hi Onemoratry... I checked it to verify. According to the training mode on this site, The four to the straight is correct on BP, A's & F, But on J or B the correct hold is the pair of nines... I don't play jacks or better that often but I will remember the nines... Thanks for the comeback... I have no idea why the training mode is telling you that, because, I believe, it is incorrect. Let m tell you why.

I have a set of strategy cards that includes both 9/6 JOB and 8/5 bonus poker. The only four card straight that is listed as superior to a low pair (22-1010) is KQJ10. So, yes, you would break a pair of tens to hold that four card straight.

These cards bear Bob Dancer's name, and have been around for years. I am quite certain that, if the strategy on them was faulty, there are some folks around who would have gleefully pointed it out by now.

The strategy on the Wizard of Odds site says the same thing - KQJ10 is the only four card straight superior to a low pair.

And, finally, now that I'm at home, I plugged the hand into my video poker software and confirmed that holding a pair of nines is a better play than drawing to a queen high four card straight in both 9/6 JOB and 8/5 bonus, though it is a lot closer in 8/5 bonus.

I have no idea why the training mode on this site would indicate otherwise.