Nice Article Of VP Strategy And How It Works!

[Raner]

Nice explanation of Video Poker Strategy and how it works...
"Durango Bill’s"
Calculating Optimal Strategy for Video Poker!
Video Poker Probabilities...
"Summary for Video Poker" at the bottom of the page
Sums it all up, Looks like to me...
Durango Bill's Article

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=DurangoBill]Casinos are not in the business of letting players
win over the long run. There are some versions of Video Poker
where the odds are slightly in favor of the player. This is
particularly true in some versions that use wild cards. If the
expected value of a game slightly favors the player, the Casino is
not doing this as a favor to the player. The rules for older
versions of the games/payoff tables were established before
computers were available that had the processing power to evaluate
the “expected value” of a game. As these results become known, the
casinos will change the rules and/or the “Payoff Tables” so that
the player doesn’t really have a chance over the long run. Even if
you do find a game where the “Expected Value” favors the player,
the margin is so small that the expected profit is not worth the
time that you spend playing the game.[/quote]In today's VP world, the casino always wins long term.  Playing with computer perfect strategy will keep the casino's cut as small as possible.  When you vary from perfect strategy you increase the casino's cut, but it may have an advantage to you.  Keeping the aces all the time will definitely increase your number of quad aces. It will also decrease the number of other paying hands that may have more accumulated long term return.  If you want to see more quad aces and are willing to pay the price, I see no problem with doing so.   The key here is understanding the ramifications of your actions and making your decisions based on facts, not hunches or superstitions.  The "strategy police" should get this better than anyone, but they are too busy calculating instead of enjoying the game for what it is... Recreation.

[Raner]

[DurangoBill]
      Casinos are not in the business of letting players
      win over the long run. There are some versions of Video Poker
      where the odds are slightly in favor of the player. This is
      particularly true in some versions that use wild cards. If the
      expected value of a game slightly favors the player, the Casino is
      not doing this as a favor to the player. The rules for older
      versions of the games/payoff tables were established before
      computers were available that had the processing power to evaluate
      the “expected value” of a game. As these results become known, the
      casinos will change the rules and/or the “Payoff Tables” so that
      the player doesn’t really have a chance over the long run.

Hey Phil... I know your primary game is Deuces Wild.
I don't play Deuces Wild well not yet anyway. I'm just
curious to know if the casinos you visit have been adjusting the rules as the article says...

[FloridaPhil]

Adjusting the rules in VP means changing the odds.  I have been told that full pay high denomination VP games were once available in Vegas.   On my last visit, I only saw a few in one casino and they were limited to quarters.   Limiting full pay games to quarters pretty much eliminated making big VP profits for most players.  These days I believe full pay VP games are a curiosity more than anything else.  If you are willing to risk big money, count comps as profit and do a lot of research, Bob Dancer says high denomination positive games are still around.  Even he admits they are rare and getting rarer.  For 99.9% of players, making money long term playing VP these days is a fantasy.My own experience has been to see VP odds steadily dropped across the country.  I think Durango Bill has it right that computers opened the eyes of casino managers and they dropped the odds to compensate for short profits.  In return, many players have come to believe VP is unbeatable so they have decided to play for enjoyment and go their own way strategy wise.  This drives purists nuts as they are holding onto the days when math and skill could make you a winner.I applaud anyone who will teach people how to hang onto more of their money.   What I have a problem with is using the veiled promise of big VP profits to sell products and services.  Marketers who do this are selling dreams.   I don't see any difference between these promises and the promise that some pills will make your manhood bigger.  If anyone was still making big money playing VP, they certainly wouldn't be telling anyone else how to do it. 

[billryan]

Different day, same old Phil Fa La La La La.... La la la la.
"I'm a lifetime loser at VP, therefore no one can win.
I'm impotent, therefore anyone who isn't is a liar.
I'm curious how long it's going to take Raner to catch on to how full of **** you are. "Resident Guru" indeed.
Durango Bill actually has it backwards.
Computers helped players become better, letting them win more. Casino operators reacted to the loss of winnings changing the games.
Only by playing VP on a computer program does any player realize the errors they make. Computer programs helped players, not casinos.
It wasn't that long ago that Phil was wondering if casinos would tolerate people playing his brilliant single coin method, which took a playable 99.4 game into an unbeatable sub 98% game.

[edog743]

Phil I believe you have obtained a stalker.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=edog473]Phil I believe you have obtained a stalker.
[/quote]I believe Billy Ryan either works for a casino or he's Bob Dancer's brother-in-law.  If not, he's just a blow hard "wantabe" professional like all the rest of the VP liars who are all talk and no substance.  He's never contributed anything to this forum except regurgitated Dancer musings.  He claims to be a former blackjack player who switched to VP so he could make some money.  What kind of switch is that?  I always heard blackjack players had some smarts.  I guess he didn't make the grade.Those that think I'm trying to be an on-line VP guru haven't been on this forum very long.  I could care less what people think of my VP play.  The only time I ever made money at VP was when I played mostly single coin quarters for two years.  I post here because I grow tired of the marketing BS being put out by the VP dream sellers.  You will never see any proof to back up long term VP profit claims because there isn't any.   I don't care how someone else plays.   I do care when someone who knows better tells people they can profit from this game and that playing VP bigger is better.   That is pure crap.  If you don't believe me, give it a try and see how it works for you.I believe VP should be enjoyed as an exciting recreational pastime.  The worst thing that can happen is you win big early on.  You naturally assume this will continue.   Eventually you will find your great strategy quits working.  It worked in the past, so it's got to come back?  Heaven help you if you believe all you need is more discipline or a bigger bet.  The world is full of bankrupt gamblers way smarter than you who tried that strategy and failed.  Play cheap and enjoy the game purely for the fun of playing.  It's the same game if you play for 2 bits or $100 a coin only your loses will be smaller and you can do something profitable with your money instead of throwing it away chasing a lie.

[billryan]

What kind of proof would you like?
Is living in Turnberry Towers evidence?
Driving a 2016 Jaguar? Owning a thirty foot speedboat?
Phil talks **** about stuff he knows nothing about and does it endlessly.
There are hundreds, if not thousands of successful APs in Vegas, and Phil has never attended a Dancer class so he has no idea what Bob says. In spite of the lies Phil constantly spews, these aren't get rich quick classes.
Bob will tell you making a living playing VP is not easy and only a small percentage of those who try will succeed.
By the way, Bob Dancer is a former blackjack player, as it Jean Scott. Two of the most public video poker proponents.
I guess Phil is smarter than them, as well.
Outside of chasing away knowledgeable world class players and putting forth horrible strategy, just what has Phil Fa La La La La.... La la la la contributed?

[edog743]

And I thought Billy Ryan had a serious case of the red azz going. I stand corrected.

[edog743]

Phil I believe Billy is quite enamored with you,