Free Play

The lighter side... playing for entertainment, less concerned about "the math."
billryan
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Re: Free Play

Post by billryan »

I've been on these boards over five years. Was here before Bob left, and was posting against your nonsense then. I met Mr Dancer in the Spring of 2016 when I attended one class of his while on vacation. I was refuting your nonsense long before that, which makes your entire post just another pack of lies.
You called a shill for him
You said I must be his son in law
You stated that I disappeared when he returned.
You said I joined after Bob left
Now you are accusing Bob of sending people after you.

Not a single one of these statements is true. That's five lies in just three posts.
Your continued presence here after you said you'd leave if I could point out just one is a sixth.
Give a fool enough rope and he will hang himself each and every time.



FloridaPhil
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[quote=alpax]What I see is your misunderstanding of things that is causing all the
issues. I do not have much downtime to explain in detail for now.[/quote]This are all great points.  You are absolutely correct when you say Mr. Dancer tells people never to play any VP game unless you have the advantage.  Unfortunately, people are people and they play anyway believing they will be lucky enough to overcome the odds and win.  I believe a good alternative would be for Mr. Dancer to invest some time telling people how to minimize their losses if they choose to go against his advice.    As he chooses not to do this, I feel someone should take up this cause.   I worked on this or two years.  I tested my strategy in real casino conditions not some calculator and it worked.  Even if it had not made me a winner, it definitely let me play more hands and saved me a lot of money.   If I had played max coins on these negative games, I most definitely would have lost a lot more. You are right when you say people would be stunned if they knew how much money playing these games could potentially cost them.  Negative video poker games are a serious long term loser and on that even Mr. Dancer agrees.   Using his strategy with his skills and bankroll when playing positive games "may" make you profitable, but there is no guarantee of anything.  Anyone who says different is totally ignorant or chooses to ignore the facts.I believe the article Mr. Dancer wrote about his daughter was designed to soften the negative feelings most people have about gambling and  gamblers in general.  I think he is sensitive on this subject and I'm sure I'm not the first person to point this out.   This article was in poor taste and he used poor judgement in publishing it.  What did he think was going to happen, be nominated for Citizen of the Year?  As you should be able to tell by now, I am a believer in gambling as entertainment.  I have no problem paying $5-$10 thousand dollars a year to enjoy this game if that is what it takes.   If someone wants to spend $1 million dollars a year doing the same thing and they can afford it, that's fine too.  It's the people who do can't and do that I worry about.





















FloridaPhil
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Post by FloridaPhil »


[quote=billryan]Give a fool enough rope and he will hang himself each and every time.[/quote]Your own words are proving me right.
Thank you.




billryan
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Post by billryan »

Why does this remind me of the drunk who preaches that AA should teach people how to drink responsibly?
Bob teaches people how to win playing video poker. Why should he teach lazy people how to lose less?
Learn his system, and most people will profit from the game. Incorporate his teachings with those of Mrs Scott, Max Rubin, Anthony Curtis and a few others and a person has a solid foundation to be a successful player.    
I remember Bob taking the time to research the casinos you play in and point out how you would be much better off ,long term, playing a different game at a higher stake with better payback. This was after you castigated him for some imaginary insult.
Do you remember your response? I do. It was something I'd expect a child would do when caught with his hand in the cake frosting.

FloridaPhil
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[quote=billryan]Why does this remind me of the drunk who preaches that AA should teach people how to drink responsibly?[/quote]Billy, that is the first intelligent thing I have ever heard you say on this forum.  Congratulations!Should I be proud of the fact that I throw my money away in a casino?  Hell No!  I think all gambling is a ridiculous waste of money.  From my experience there is no way to beat the casinos.  If you want to try, be my guest. To me video poker is just like Candy Crush or Nintendo only they give you free drinks and rooms to suck you in and keep you coming back so you can pay them more and more.  I spent my whole life fishing and racing cars.  I traveled the world chasing marlin and drove some of the fastest cars on the planet.   I can't do those things anymore.   I have to admit video poker is a challenging game, but I don't for a minute think I will ever make any long term money playing it and frankly I don't care.What you are scolding me for is caring about people.  I am sorry, but that is my nature.  If I didn't the entire world could go to hell and I wouldn't give a damn.  I would write books recommending people do anything that feels good regardless of the ramifications.  I have seen close up and personal what gambling can do to people and families.  Perhaps you have not.  That may explain a lot.





billryan
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Post by billryan »

Strange that you talk about what gambling can do to families when a while back you were bragging about how you sold a guy a house that he lost $400,000 on. I guess that doesn't hurt families?
Good to know you are such a humanitarian. Not that I believe anything you write, but I guess it makes you feel good.

FloridaPhil
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[quote=billryan]Strange that you talk about what gambling can do to families when a
while back you were bragging about how you sold a guy a house that he
lost $400,000 on.[/quote]You don't have a clue what you are talking about.  We were talking about the housing crisis.  I suppose you are going to blame me for that too?Let's get back to video poker and give these guys a break.  If anyone wants a copy of my original CS website, private message me and I will email you a copy so you can try it for yourself.  If you think it's garbage you won't hurt my feelings a bit. 





mightwin
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Post by mightwin »

Wait a second - I like cake frosting. I wouldn't mind getting caught eating it.

I'm not a perfect player. But I still play video poker. I've won and lost. I consider it entertainment.

I think my problem is that I can't play perfectly and wait for the jackpot pay off. I get mad at the machine and play "my way" just in case it pays me.

Royals for everyone is my wish.

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Post by FAA »

To convert a pair into quads is about 1 in 360. To convert trips into quads is exactly 1 in 23.5.

Trips is about 15 times easier to convert into quads, but comes out 20 times less frequent than pairs.
That is why more quads come from pairs than trips.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Pretty wild factoid!


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