CS strategy

[billryan]

Perhaps I'm mistaken.
What do the initials CS stand for?
Lets go to the video tape....


 Florida Phil
Posted: 05 Oct 2017 at 5:55pm
First, let me say I am not a VP expert, nor do I claim to be...  

CS or "Cheap Strategy" is a purely Recreational VP Strategy.   It is not a way to beat the casinos.  It's primary goal is to allow a player on a tight budget to play more hands with the same money while retaining the possibility of a max coin jackpot.  Some players find playing with CS a more exciting experience......

CS is a primarily a quarter strategy.  I have tried it with all the popular VP games and it works best with standard single line deuce wild.   Wild card games run in streaks, which plays right into CS. ......

When is a strategy not a strategy? I'm pretty sure we all agree it's not a winning strategy, in any case.

[FloridaPhil]

Bill, a forum member asked a question.  I tried to answer it as honestly as I could.  As far as I'm concerned, the only way to keep the casino out of your pockets is to not go in.  The next best thing is to play as cheap as possible.Dreams of casino riches, mathematical formulas, tales of huge jackpots and promises of winning strategies sells books and software, fills radio time and makes people famous.   Players love hearing these things.  They want to think mathematics can predict the unpredictable and that they are just one hand away from getting rich.  Telling people they are going to lose does not make you the most popular person at a dinner party or on this forum, even if it's true.I have no doubt there are professional VP players who make money at the game. They say they do it through skill.  I say they have been lucky... so far.   Have you ever heard of an AP who failed?  That's not a story anyone wants to read. It's true I am an old man.  I learned these things from painful experience.  Members of this forum can believe what they want.   I suspect you are easily influenced by people who you have set up in your mind as heroes.  This is not necessarily a bad thing, but it can get you in trouble if you don't think for yourself.  Some day you will realize what I am telling you is true.  Until then, It's a good thing to have a dream as long as it doesn't consume you.Now, I am sure you will reply back with some clever insult.  This won't change anything, but it might make you feel better.   I am not angry with you for doing this.  I understand you want to be an AP.  Be careful what you wish for.  You may get it and find out it's not as great as you had believed.  I wish you luck, but honestly I don't believe you are going to make it the way you are going.   Real AP's and experts are not wasting time sitting on forums sparring with old guys in Florida, they are too busy trying to beat the odds.

[FAA]

Yes. Plan A is boycott. Plan B is a slow walllet drip with spare and judicious max bet application. Otherwise I'm a busted boardwalk bum. I reduce my max RF probability. But at 40,000 to one I am not sweating it.

[matginlv]

Long time lurker, first time poster. I tried this last night at Red Rock to give it a test after trying it out on freeslots.com . I DO NOT ADVOCATE PLAYING LIKE THIS.

I made a couple of adjustments to CS:

1) I was playing $1 Dueces Wild on the 99.8% payback machines (16/10 pay table) instead of quarters
2) Instead of playing only 1 hand at 5 coins after hitting any 4 coin return at a 1 coin bet, I play until I get 3 consecutive hands at max coin with no return. If I get an even or better hand, the count resets. So, for example, if hand 1 was a loser, hand 2 was a loser and hand 3 came back even, the sequence is broken and I'd keep playing at max coin until 3 straight hands were losers. I picked 3 out of the air, no real scientific reason.
3) Using a Singeresque stop/loss system, anytime the max coin play ended due to 3 consecutive losing hands and I had $120 or more in the machine, I cash out and start the "session" over. NOTE: I was feeding $100 at a time,
so I was just going for a small profit to test this out.

Also note, I do not play optimally all the time. If I'm dealt an Ah 10h with a bunch of crap cards, I may (or may not) keep it to take a shot at the royal.

My findings:

This is basically a grind through bad or even hands at 1 coin, hoping to catch a win streak at 5 coin. My best hands at max coin play were 2 quad deuces for $1000 each. The worst outcome I had grinding away at single coin play were several wild royals that kicked off the move to max coin play. That was a pretty good (lucky) result considering I started the night with $240 in my wallet and figured I'd be at the ATM within an hour. I did not play like this all night as my favorite play is $.50 Deuces Wild Bonus, and I would not recommend using this for any bonus type game. I may try this again next trip to the casino (which is usually once a week for a 4 hour session).

[onemoretry]

3) Using a Singeresque stop/loss system, anytime the max coin play ended due to 3 consecutive losing hands and I had $120 or more in the machine, I cash out and start the "session" over.
Hmm. Combining CS with Fa La La La La.... La la la la. I can hardly wait for the comments to start pouring in.

[matginlv]

I know. Reading this thread, I'm probably VP Public Enemy #1, even though I clearly stated I don't advocate this and I did it just to see what would happen.

[billryan]

[QUOTE=matginlv]
3) Using a Singeresque stop/loss system, anytime the max coin play ended due to 3 consecutive losing hands and I had $120 or more in the machine, I cash out and start the "session" over.
Hmm. Combining CS with Fa La La La La.... La la la la. I can hardly wait for the comments to start pouring in.[/QUOTE]

Somethings simply aren't worth commenting on.
If the poster is real, he'll learn the error of his ways soon enough. If he's a sock monkey, starving him of the attention he desires will get rid of him faster than arguing with him. I lean towards the second as a newbie wouldn't know Fa La La La La.... La la la la.

[matginlv]

Not seeking attention. I tried it and reported on my luck. Probably won't play it much. However, I usually do have a cut off point on single machine. Usually my goal is double whatever I put in. I don't sit at one machine/type of game/denomination for long. The most I'll run through any one machine is $200. I also know this is not recommended and is just a psychological thing thinking that switching a machine/changing games/switching denoms is magically going to help you out of a hole or give you a better chance at hitting a royal.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=matginly]Not seeking attention. I tried it and reported on my luck. [/quote]No need to apologize.  Some players have a hard time believing the majority of VP is luck.  They desperately want to believe they are in control or that someone has it all figured out.   VP is a slot machine.   If I walk up to an 88 Fortunes slot, put in a $50 and hit the grand jackpot for $20K, does that make me an expert?   Some people think it does if I say I had anything to do with it.   You said it was luck.  All you did was report what happened.   I've hit numerous great jackpots using CS strategy.   Like you I don't play that way all the time.  Does that make us heretics or a heroes? 

[billryan]

In the short term, luck is important. As you near the long term, luck is meaningless.
Phil asked a rhetorical question the other day.
If six Bob Dancers are playing a progressive bank and one of them hits, is he a genius and the others aren't.
It simply shows his total lack of understanding and respect for math.
The simple answer is if six Bob Dancers play an infinite number of progressives, each of them will hit the proper amounts of progressives.
To an expert VP player, todays results are meaningless, as are tomorrows or this weeks or last weeks.