AC servers....I love it when I am right.

[DaBurglar]

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news ... c.htmlThis article was first published in 2012 when the ill fated Revel opened in AC and it was the first casino there to use Servers.    Please read the short general info article above, but I am going to quote by copying/pasting the relevant section below that pertains to what I have long maintained is the danger and concern about servers vis-a-vis gambling is concerned, and how it is possible for casinos to manipulate and otherwise mess with games/results with near impunity.   Even though this is all supposed to be regulated, we all know the facts as to what has happened to AC's gaming oversight since 2011.Quote from the article:"There are a couple of potential worries for players.
Players have long worried that
casino operators would change payback percentages on games — and not for
the better. On most slots, changing percentages means opening a game
and changing a chip, under gaming board supervision — and that’s the
short version, leaving out several steps. It’s time consuming, and it’s
apparent to the public. On server-based machines, the operator, under
gaming board supervision, can highlight a game — or a whole bank of
games — on a computer screen, and change percentages with the click of a
mouse.



Required public, onscreen
messages that a game is being changed must be made, but old player fears
that percentages could change from day to night or weekday to weekend
certainly will surface. Rapid changes like that are not being permitted
in jurisdictions that now have server-based gaming, but casinos and
regulators will have to deal with player concerns."Ok, so what I have maintained from the get go which I KNEW to be true from my own experience operating server-based systems is now a real scenario.   The ability for casinos to do the things I have been seeing in CET properties in AC is a fact.   They can literally change or manipulate many aspects of the game operations and results by simply clicking a mouse, and it can be done on one game outlet, a few or all.....or any set of parameters and selection criteria that the casino user wants to input.

[Tedlark]

Hey idiot, did you read the part where the author wrote: "under gaming board supervision"? Also read where the author wrote: "Rapid changes like that are not being permitted in jurisdictions that now have server based technology, but casinos and regulators will have to deal with player concerns."

What you posted is NOT NEW INFORMATION. SHOW US PROOF OF CHEATING BY THESE SAME CASINOS.

Have you ever, in your many many trips to the Gaming Commission offices on Pennsylvania Avenue, made an official complaint about these same server based games?

Please get some new material, even George Carlin did at some point in his career.....

[FAA]

DB's point is that in the current environment, casinos blow off the supervision aspect. We then can all debate the merits of that.

[billryan]

Casinos can't change the payout of a true video poker game without changing the accompanying pay table.
Anyone who doesn't understand that shouldn't be playing.

[DaBurglar]

Casinos can't change the payout of a true video poker game without changing the accompanying pay table.
Anyone who doesn't understand that shouldn't be playing.Congrats, your limited imagination missed the point entirely.....the results of a game are generated by the internal RNG and programming, which then simply takes the result and compares it to the stated Paytable value to determine the credits paid.  Servers allow casinos to do en masse what they previously had to do one chip (i.e. individual machine) at a time.    they can have the game(s) generate results that do not payout as much or often, or exclude certain results (like royals) altogether, for short periods or long.   I maintain this is what CET properties in AC are in fact doing.....

[DaBurglar]

Hey idiot, did you read the part where the author wrote: "under gaming board supervision"? Also read where the author wrote: "Rapid changes like that are not being permitted in jurisdictions that now have server based technology, but casinos and regulators will have to deal with player concerns."

What you posted is NOT NEW INFORMATION. SHOW US PROOF OF CHEATING BY THESE SAME CASINOS.

Have you ever, in your many many trips to the Gaming Commission offices on Pennsylvania Avenue, made an official complaint about these same server based games?

Please get some new material, even George Carlin did at some point in his career.....Hey pusillanimous PETTY hypocritical (but NON-hating) Sh*thead , you once again missed the simple point of what I was saying by showing this article, namely that the mere ABILITY (and henceforth POSSIBILITY) that servers afford casinos to control and manipulate (if they so choose) play results does in fact exist.Casinos are required to payout a certain percentage by years end, this we know is a fact.   what is not well known is that as long as the casino pays this out, in most jurisdictions they allow casinos to set up machines with whatever payout rate they want so long as the YEAR end obligation is reached.   This means that a player can encounter games/machines that are set to payout next to nothing regardless of what it says on the outside, while it is also possible they encounter a few overly generous "HOT" machines that seemingly payout excessively.   Servers accentuate this possibility.Proof of this can be found simply by going to AC and playing at one of the three CET properties there (and even some of the other NON server AC casinos who still do things the old single chip/machine method)    Play 50 to 100K hands of various games they have in AC and you'll see sure enough that they are statistically manipulated results wise.   Until you do, your statements and opinions about MY statements and opinions carry ZERO weight/merit/import.    GAming Control Board office is on the corner of Tennessee Ave and the Boardwalk.....visiting President Trump on Pennsylvania Ave., while I am sure is one of Tedlark's dreams, will not get you anywhere in terms of understanding the situation in AC, especially since Pres. Trump is personally responsible for many of AC's current and past woes.    While I have not yet filed a formal actual official bonafide certified complaint with the Gaming Comm of NJ, I am definitely going to submit a complaint once I have finished collecting or organizing all my facts and data, and I will make it so compelling and thoroughly researched they will have no choice but to initiate real action against the despicable casinos.

[DaBurglar]

DB's point is that in the current environment, casinos blow off the supervision aspect. We then can all debate the merits of that.Indeed they do FAA, thanks for helping clarify in the minds of the perpetually confused and challenged, and the eternally arrogant.   Although this point about spotty supervision (which has indeed been the case in AC since 2011 when they drastically cut the oversight and enforcement staff & resources by 80% and eliminated the in house agents) is not the ONLY point or even the primary one .... with servers, the casinos can change and manipulate the results of the VP games (i.e. spitting out more dud non paying hands) whether or not someone is there to supervise or not!

[Tedlark]

DaBurglar those of us who read the article fully understand that casinos who use server based systems have the ABILITY to change payback percentages. We also read the part, unlike you, where the auther wrote that this could ONLY be done UNDER GAMING BOARD SUPERVISION! It would be illegal to do this WITHOUT gaming board supervision.

Some of us here anxiously await the outcome of your complaint to the NJ Gaming Commission. If you are required to publish it though, may I recommend the funny pages of your local newspaper? That would be a fitting place.

[Carcounter]

I've mentioned that the newer server based machines at Borgata haven't been particularly good to me, but I've seen royals and other big hands hit, just not for me. Last week, a woman playing next to me hit 4 Aces twice in 10 minutes on $1.00 SDB. $800 each time. She also hit several other quads and cashed out a nice $2k win after about an hour and no W2-G's. Going down tomorrow with my business partner to play SDB and have dinner at Bobby Flay Steak. Anyone eat there?

[Tedlark]

I prefer Bobby Flay's places to Guy Fiori's Car, enjoy the meal and hit a few nice hands while playing.