Bob Dancer Classes

[asteroid]

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[QUOTE=DaBurglar] [QUOTE=asteroid]

none was shot my way. The post I made just previous to this one was directed at Mr. Dancer, not you, and should have read "Mr. Dancer should think about teaching some classes in invective language and sarcasm as he is an expert at both". Also that post was intended to support and defend you as I thought Mr. Dancer was being overly harsh in his response to your post regarding your strategy knowledge of QQs. I made a typo by putting a comma after "Bob" which may have contributed to the lack of clarity of my previous post in this thread.<span ="_Tgc"></span>


Ah, I see, my bad too.

I appreciate your support, but don't be too hard on Bob, I wasn't very bothered by his response to me. The fact is I know several people like Bob in real life, and I consider all of them at least casual friends....

Bob found it difficult to completely believe that I have "mastered" QQs. He is right to be skeptical because most people playing VP in general, and in particular sophisticated games like QQs, are not "masters", and many are really lousy.

I'm fifty years old, been playing for over twenty-five years. I'm also a fairly good chess player, with a former rating just under the US master level (circa 1995). My academic and career background I've blabbed about before...still, the only way I could ever really prove to Bob, or anyone else, that I've truly mastered this game would be to play it in front of him for several hours (minimum)... I am certain Bob has better things to do, Lord knows I do. Lol[/QUOTE]If Mr. Dancer's statement regarding your QQ acumen was an isolated case then I would whole-hardheartedly agree with you regarding its harmlessness (and since it isn't an isolated case I mostly agree with you). But with a repeated history of strawman-created insults, call-outs over semantics like calling Bill Ryan out over calling a three-of-a-kind a set and then stating that his argument was bunk because of this semantic deviation, I was mildly irritated at his skepticism regarding your QQ acumen. I think Mr. Dancer is fine and this was only mildly irritating, as I stated, but I guess it was irritating enough for me to make a post regarding his invective and sarcastic aptitude.

[case]

Asteroid....you need to get thicker skin if that bothered you.

[asteroid]

Asteroid....you need to get thicker skin if that bothered you.I think it was the cumulative effect of several posts and this one was the straw that broke the camel's back resulting in mild irritation. So yes you're right, I need to have thicker skin - 2018 New Year's resolution.

[billryan]

semantics like calling Bill Ryan out over calling a three-of-a-kind a set and then stating that his argument was bunk because of this semantic deviation, I was mildly irritated at his skepticism regarding your QQ acumen. I think Mr. Dancer is fine and this was only mildly irritating, as I stated, but I guess it was irritating enough for me to make a post regarding his invective and sarcastic aptitude.


I think you misread that situation if that is what you came away with.

[alpax]

Alpax, what do you mean exactly by "expectations of the audience"?

If it's a free class, ostensibly to learn how to play a specific VP variant, what would anyone expect other than accurate useful info on the game itself? Do they also wish to be entertained? If so, maybe I would be a good speaker/teacher.... I could rattle off points while simultaneously balancing wheelies or crashing into bubble wrap with my mobility device, yelling Jackpot!

I know you are an experienced VP player, but in reality, it is really difficult for some people to even understand the concept behind the game.

I cannot get other people to play video poker instead of the carnival table games because they think it is too complicated to play.

I sense that Mr. Dancer has the ability to captivate casino hobbyists. Mr. Dancer is also prepared to answer a broad range of questions, despite that it helps teaching for over 19 years.

When do you go for an inside straight and when do you not go for an inside straight? Questions like these are what people are going to ask. If you are not prepared to respond quickly, it can affect how others see in your playing/teaching ability.

[DaBurglar]

I know you are an experienced VP player, but in reality, it is really difficult for some people to even understand the concept behind the game.

I cannot get other people to play video poker instead of the carnival table games because they think it is too complicated to play.

I sense that Mr. Dancer has the ability to captivate casino hobbyists. Mr. Dancer is also prepared to answer a broad range of questions, despite that it helps teaching for over 19 years.

When do you go for an inside straight and when do you not go for an inside straight? Questions like these are what people are going to ask. If you are not prepared to respond quickly, it can affect how others see in your playing/teaching ability.

Thanks for responding.

Regarding your statement about people being unable to grasp VP and saying it's too hard to grasp:

This is a microcosm of life....most people simply never learn to learn. No one with a healthy normal brain is stupid or dumb...the single most important trait between so called intelligent people and everyone else is the ability to learn and think. Thinking is the single hardest thing humans do on a daily basis..the brain consumes a lot of energy each day. It's similar to a muscle in the simple fact that the more you use it the stronger it is. Cliche perhaps but the truth behind what we are talking about.

This is also why casinos now push the visuals...slots that suck up "700 pennies" a pull which then launch a friggin movie in front of the guy playing...anyone seen the Game of Thrones slot yet?

[BobDancer]

C'mon Bob, don't tell me you had a hard time getting the hang of QQs! I know you caught on fairly fast Certain QQ principles apply to all QQ varieties. But DDB QQ is different from BP QQ which is different from DB QQ --- all of which I've taught. And I've only taught the 99.55% and higher pay schedules. Lower pay schedules have a different strategy. DDB QQ Wheel Poker will be different yet.DB said he has "mastered" QQ. To me that means being able to discuss every strategy difference. I am not able to do that yet --- but I will be before the class. I am not someone who can do this by intuition. I have to sit down and study. There may be a dozen differences in the strategy between DDB QQ and DDB QQ WP. Until you know them and have figured out why they are different, I don't think you have mastered a game.You could fairly say I was implying that I didn't think DB actually had the game mastered. If he wants to do that --- I'm pretty sure he has the brains and tools to do it. But I don't think he has done it yet.

[alpax]

You could fairly say I was implying that I didn't think DB actually had the game mastered. If he wants to do that --- I'm pretty sure he has the brains and tools to do it. But I don't think he has done it yet.

I am fairly certain that DB is being sarcastic.

If not, here is a real litmus test to see if DB has seriously mastered QQ.

List everything that is wrong with the Quick Quads game on this VERY website www.videopoker.com

[jetermacaw]

I give free QQs lessons almost every week 😎

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=BobDancer]
You could fairly say I was implying that I didn't think DB actually had the game mastered. If he wants to do that --- I'm pretty sure he has the brains and tools to do it. But I don't think he has done it yet.

I am fairly certain that DB is being sarcastic.

If not, here is a real litmus test to see if DB has seriously mastered QQ.

List everything that is wrong with the Quick Quads game on this VERY website www.videopoker.com[/QUOTE]


Haha! I'm going to have to go actually look at this site's QQ game.... I don't have a clue what you mean by this question....are you saying the game itself is "broken"? Or is the "help" section filled with erroneous info? Or are you actually talking about the game giving the wrong hold solutions for gold members who are trying to rate their performance and improve? If you have the time please elaborate and clarify what's the issue here and what you want me to do.

I freely admit I haven't read Bob's book(s)...when I say I've mastered QQs in general I should have said I play almost exclusively BP QQs but also dabble with ddb and triple bonus QQs, and my definition of "master it" goes like this: if I'm presented with specific hands and situations, I can make the right calls on BP QQs....of course analyzing a single hand scenario is a lot different than actually playing in a vibrant casino environment at very fast speeds. I do make rare occasional errors at Harrah's AC simply because I just go too fast sometimes, but I almost always recognize my rare error right after it happens. For my purposes and my satisfaction I'm a QQ BP (and JOB) master though, lol

I'm not saying either I'm as good at QQs as Bob ( or alpax), just that "I probably could be if I wanted to apply myself in short order",
I'm certain others here could as well, just as Bob could be a very good chess player if he wanted to...alpax definitely would, and for all I know he probably already is