Some people should not be in a casino

[FAA]

Too daunting for me. I'd rather reread Ulysses.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=billlryan]Is this the thread for self loathing video poker players or is this where we brag about being Texas rich?
It's so confusing.[/quote]It's actually about wannabee APs, snake oil salesmen and Vegas dreams.  Things you should be familiar with. 

[billryan]

I'm living the Vegas dream. Green is so your color.

[DaBurglar]

I'm living the Vegas dream. Green is so your color.I graduated from Harvard, ergo I'm   <cue Fall River, Massachusetts accent>"wicked smahhht" <end accent>   (or alternatively, fire up Good Will Hunting on Netflix)This is the point to remember:  the Vast majority of GAMBLERS, whether sporadic infrequent amateurs all the way to Casino denizens identifying as Professional, rarely are honest about their true, actual results.  In my experience, added to what others relate anecdotally, They all claim to win MORE than they actually do....this is intentional for MANY reasons:  coping mechanism, shame or embarrassment, explaining to a spouse or partner to ease concerns ....the list is long as to why people would LIE about winning at Gambling.Exaggeration (lying) about LOSING likewise is possible for another slew of reasons, many of which you can figure out for yourself.We all know, as a POINT OF FACT, that casino gaming is most definitely in the houses favor....advantage players like Bob dancer center their strategy on identifying those specific opportunities or instances where a temporary or aberrational circumstance negates the house advantage and gives it to the player....how this happens is a manifold list of possible reasons, often involving promotions, comp bonuses, temporary intentional "tilting" in the players favor in order to entice future betting when the odds go back to the house.....the AP however, resists playing when the odds are in the house's favor.     The one element that no one seems to ever focus on, except me, is what Bob let slip one time in a post:  He is privy or has access to certain "backdoor" or special promotions or circumstances (i.e.  "insider info") that he wisely does not share.....that in and of itself is a HUGE disclaimer to this whole argument/discussion.Anyone remember Mickey Rivers (former MLB Player, NY Yankees Centerfielder in the 1970s on their world champion teams)?    Mickey was an inveterate gambler, particularly horse racing....he often would go with other Yankees players to the various horse tracks available back then (players like Lou Pinella, Graig Nettles, SParky Lyle), yet Mickey was often horrible at picking winners.....until all of a sudden he wasn't awful!  Suddenly one day he started winning....and winning....and WINNING!   It became almost surreal, every outing, almost every race, mickey had the winner...until finally one day Lou Pinella saw what Mickey was actually doing.....he simply was betting on EVERY horse, in EVERY race, and then only showing (and celebrating over) the winning ticket while tossing the losers away.    What does that tell you?   WHat would you conclude about a person who (far in excess of expected statistical results, and far far in excess of what everyone else is reporting) seems to win at their game of choice??????

[FAA]

I’d read between the lines, but this post is an open book to begin with! I hope that I can keep my mojo going for a solid winning month. It’s not hard. VP seems to be thawing. Just don’t be childish and discipline yourself and you should be fine.

[Carcounter]

Ah, Mickey Rivers. Me , Billy and George are two of a kind.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=DeBurglar]It became almost surreal, every outing, almost every race, mickey had
the winner...until finally one day Lou Pinella saw what Mickey was
actually doing.....he simply was betting on EVERY horse, in EVERY race,
and then only showing (and celebrating over) the winning ticket while
tossing the losers away.  [/quote]You could do the same thing with VP.   No one has ever been able to tell me how many cycles it takes for all the play to come out of one video poker machine.   Good question for the math guys.  Anyway, all you would have to do is keep playing until that happens, then limit your talk to only your big wins.   You could throw in some losing days just to make it sound believable.  If you're making money from other ventures, you could live a great lifestyle and become a VP hero.  You could even get lucky and win.   Who would know the difference?If other people tried your theories, they failed and complained, you could say they weren't intelligent enough to make it work or say they didn't know what they were talking about.  The few people who won would love you and you would never have to prove a thing.  Naw,  that would never work....  

[DaBurglar]

Ah, Mickey Rivers. Me , Billy and George are two of a kind.   Hey Car, were you (or are you) either a Yankees fan or at least a MLB enthusiast?   Billy Martin, when talking about Reggie Jackson and George Steinbrenner, famously stated (when they were all fighting as part of the aforementioned three ring circus):  "One's a born liar (Reggie), the other's Convicted!"  (George was convicted in 1972-73 for illegal campaign contributions to president Nixon, which also resulted in his being temporarily banned from operating the Yankees for a couple years)I was wondering who might appreciate my Mickey Rivers anecdote/post......"Mick the Quick" was actually a really good ballplayer in his prime, and had he the discipline to avoid self destructive behavior might have had a hall of fame career.    As a young child growing up in the late 1970s a NY Yankees fan, Mickey Rivers was one of almost a dozen heroes I had:Ron Guidry  (A.K.A.  "The Gator", or "Louisiana Lightning"Thurman Munson (R.I.P. Captain....)Lou Pinella (Sweet Lou)Reggie Jackson ("Reggie Reggie Reggie!"   or  "The Straw that Stirs the Drink")Graig Nettles (my first true FAvorite Ball player, a great power hitter, overshadowed Offensively by George Brett and Mike Schmidt but a better Defensive player than either...also famous for his sharp wit and one-liners)Sparky Lyle (1977 A.L. Cy Young Award winner, who was "rewarded" by watching the Yankees sign Rich "The Goose" Gossage in the off season and naming Gossage the team's closer at the start of the following 1978 season......Graig Nettle's summed it up perfectly:  "From Cy Young to Sayanorra")Rich Gossage (see above)Jim "Catfish" HunterRoy WhiteBucky Dent (Or as he is known forever in Boston.....Bucky "F-ing" Dent)

[billryan]

[QUOTE=billryan]
I'm living the Vegas dream. Green is so your color.I graduated from Harvard, ergo I'm   <cue Fall River, Massachusetts accent>"wicked smahhht" <end accent>   (or alternatively, fire up Good Will Hunting on Netflix)This is the point to remember:  the Vast majority of GAMBLERS, whether sporadic infrequent amateurs all the way to Casino denizens identifying as Professional, rarely are honest about their true, actual results.  In my experience, added to what others relate anecdotally, They all claim to win MORE than they actually do....this is intentional for MANY reasons:  coping mechanism, shame or embarrassment, explaining to a spouse or partner to ease concerns ....the list is long as to why people would LIE about winning at Gambling.Exaggeration (lying) about LOSING likewise is possible for another slew of reasons, many of which you can figure out for yourself.We all know, as a POINT OF FACT, that casino gaming is most definitely in the houses favor....advantage players like Bob dancer center their strategy on identifying those specific opportunities or instances where a temporary or aberrational circumstance negates the house advantage and gives it to the player....how this happens is a manifold list of possible reasons, often involving promotions, comp bonuses, temporary intentional "tilting" in the players favor in order to entice future betting when the odds go back to the house.....the AP however, resists playing when the odds are in the house's favor.     The one element that no one seems to ever focus on, except me, is what Bob let slip one time in a post:  He is privy or has access to certain "backdoor" or special promotions or circumstances (i.e.  "insider info") that he wisely does not share.....that in and of itself is a HUGE disclaimer to this whole argument/discussion.Anyone remember Mickey Rivers (former MLB Player, NY Yankees Centerfielder in the 1970s on their world champion teams)?    Mickey was an inveterate gambler, particularly horse racing....he often would go with other Yankees players to the various horse tracks available back then (players like Lou Pinella, Graig Nettles, SParky Lyle), yet Mickey was often horrible at picking winners.....until all of a sudden he wasn't awful!  Suddenly one day he started winning....and winning....and WINNING!   It became almost surreal, every outing, almost every race, mickey had the winner...until finally one day Lou Pinella saw what Mickey was actually doing.....he simply was betting on EVERY horse, in EVERY race, and then only showing (and celebrating over) the winning ticket while tossing the losers away.    What does that tell you?   WHat would you conclude about a person who (far in excess of expected statistical results, and far far in excess of what everyone else is reporting) seems to win at their game of choice??????

[/QUOTE]

I imagine this is geared towards me, although I honestly don't know why.
I certainly don't brag about my result. In fact, I don't post my results. I dare anyone to post my last Royal. Or my last good run at BJ?
I do talk about the various promos one can easily beat and how one can combine them into
a nice part time hobby. Anything I post can be easily duplicated by anyone with the time and inclination.
Obviously, the best plays don't get discussed on public forums. They are closely guarded among the ones who exploit them.
People like Bob Dancer, who educate the public are rare among APs, and I'm sure he has taken grief for his writings. Must be strange to get abuse from his peers for being too open ,and even more from the idiot chorus for leading impressionable people astray.

[FloridaPhil]

Years ago I was heavily involved in competitive fishing tournaments.  Some of these tournaments had six figure payouts.  There was no way anyone would dare train the competition and we guarded our tactics like the crown jewels.   If I was a Vegas AP living a "great lifestyle" playing video poker and
someone started training the general public on how to do what I do, I would be
pretty ticked off.  I'm wondering if this has ever been an issue?