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b74
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They can change payouts remotely on any machine. Any hoopla about all these regulations and other is pure bs. You know your getting shafted when the dry streaks turn into months instead of days and weeks. Glad I quit for real $
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Vman96
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The laws still require video poker to be bound by the probabilities of a standard poker deck. Most casinos don't even generally utilize remote payout changes for VP. VP paytables change annually at best for the casinos I visit.
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jetermacaw
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If inclined could other "parts" of a VP game be controlled. I'll just throw these 2 examples out there and will except what vman or anyone else says. On the 5 hand and 10 hand Bonus QQ machine that I play if you are dealt a sequential pair; 2,2,3,3; 5,5,4,4, etc. the fifth card is ALWAYS an ace. Two weeks ago 15 times. go for the QQ or hold the 2 pair. Next example 100 hand QQ, any time holding 2 face cards NEVER more then 9 3oak on the draw, NEVER.
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b74
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The technology is there if someone wanted to manipulate it. I’ve lost the confidence that I one time had that it is all random. I just seen too much for my own eyes.
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Vman96
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If inclined could other "parts" of a VP game be controlled. I'll just throw these 2 examples out there and will except what vman or anyone else says. On the 5 hand and 10 hand Bonus QQ machine that I play if you are dealt a sequential pair; 2,2,3,3; 5,5,4,4, etc. the fifth card is ALWAYS an ace. Two weeks ago 15 times. go for the QQ or hold the 2 pair. Next example 100 hand QQ, any time holding 2 face cards NEVER more then 9 3oak on the draw, NEVER.
ALWAYS an Ace with hands like 3322, 4433, etc? If that happened fifteen times IN A ROW, then it's a trivial claim to have the machine checked, the odds of that are much less than powerball. 1 in 12^15 or 1 in 15.4 quadrillion.
As for more than 9 3 of a kinds...meh. Even if I counted full houses and quads as a "hit", the odds of getting 10 or more trips, full houses, or quads out of 100 from 2 face cards is only 1 in 54,431 on average. And to be fair, you need to probably go through about 10 cycles through a machine before really questioning its randomness. If you have held two face cards on a 100 play quick quads a half a million times already, then you must play that game a LOT!!!
ALWAYS an Ace with hands like 3322, 4433, etc? If that happened fifteen times IN A ROW, then it's a trivial claim to have the machine checked, the odds of that are much less than powerball. 1 in 12^15 or 1 in 15.4 quadrillion.
As for more than 9 3 of a kinds...meh. Even if I counted full houses and quads as a "hit", the odds of getting 10 or more trips, full houses, or quads out of 100 from 2 face cards is only 1 in 54,431 on average. And to be fair, you need to probably go through about 10 cycles through a machine before really questioning its randomness. If you have held two face cards on a 100 play quick quads a half a million times already, then you must play that game a LOT!!!
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Vman96
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The technology is there if someone wanted to manipulate it. I’ve lost the confidence that I one time had that it is all random. I just seen too much for my own eyes.
Yes, it could be manipulated. If you think casinos and IGT are in cahoots with cheating the player by breaking laws, I can't 100% assure you are incorrect. I'm at least 99.54% sure though (bad video poker joke)...lol In my hundreds of thousands of hands of video poker in casinos across the country, I feel like my results are well in line with what a "fair game" would provide.
Yes, it could be manipulated. If you think casinos and IGT are in cahoots with cheating the player by breaking laws, I can't 100% assure you are incorrect. I'm at least 99.54% sure though (bad video poker joke)...lol In my hundreds of thousands of hands of video poker in casinos across the country, I feel like my results are well in line with what a "fair game" would provide.
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DaBurglar
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[QUOTE=b74] The technology is there if someone wanted to manipulate it. I’ve lost the confidence that I one time had that it is all random. I just seen too much for my own eyes.
Yes, it could be manipulated. If you think casinos and IGT are in cahoots with cheating the player by breaking laws, I can't 100% assure you are incorrect. I'm at least 99.54% sure though (bad video poker joke)...lol In my hundreds of thousands of hands of video poker in casinos across the country, I feel like my results are well in line with what a "fair game" would provide.[/QUOTE]
Correct me if I'm wrong vman, but isn't the majority of your play in Vegas? If so then I'm in agreement with you....I've said it many times, I do have confidence in Nevada casinos.
The point Jeter made centers around the dubious market of AC, which only in the last year has stabilized and stopped the bleeding and is finally showing glimmers of recovery, albeit never to the heyday of the late 90s. Many players, of every level in terms of TR status, hold to the suspicion that AC casinos are not as kosher as they should be....neither viewpoint can be proven to a degree of certainty, but if....IF you were to play in AC often you might understand why this suspicion exists.
Yes, it could be manipulated. If you think casinos and IGT are in cahoots with cheating the player by breaking laws, I can't 100% assure you are incorrect. I'm at least 99.54% sure though (bad video poker joke)...lol In my hundreds of thousands of hands of video poker in casinos across the country, I feel like my results are well in line with what a "fair game" would provide.[/QUOTE]
Correct me if I'm wrong vman, but isn't the majority of your play in Vegas? If so then I'm in agreement with you....I've said it many times, I do have confidence in Nevada casinos.
The point Jeter made centers around the dubious market of AC, which only in the last year has stabilized and stopped the bleeding and is finally showing glimmers of recovery, albeit never to the heyday of the late 90s. Many players, of every level in terms of TR status, hold to the suspicion that AC casinos are not as kosher as they should be....neither viewpoint can be proven to a degree of certainty, but if....IF you were to play in AC often you might understand why this suspicion exists.
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Jstark
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There is nothing fishy going on anywhere. The reason you people lose is because of the stupid strategies and games you all play.
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Vman96
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[QUOTE=Vman96] [QUOTE=b74] The technology is there if someone wanted to manipulate it. I’ve lost the confidence that I one time had that it is all random. I just seen too much for my own eyes.
Yes, it could be manipulated. If you think casinos and IGT are in cahoots with cheating the player by breaking laws, I can't 100% assure you are incorrect. I'm at least 99.54% sure though (bad video poker joke)...lol In my hundreds of thousands of hands of video poker in casinos across the country, I feel like my results are well in line with what a "fair game" would provide.[/QUOTE]
Correct me if I'm wrong vman, but isn't the majority of your play in Vegas? If so then I'm in agreement with you....I've said it many times, I do have confidence in Nevada casinos.
The point Jeter made centers around the dubious market of AC, which only in the last year has stabilized and stopped the bleeding and is finally showing glimmers of recovery, albeit never to the heyday of the late 90s. Many players, of every level in terms of TR status, hold to the suspicion that AC casinos are not as kosher as they should be....neither viewpoint can be proven to a degree of certainty, but if....IF you were to play in AC often you might understand why this suspicion exists.[/QUOTE]
Majority? Meh...I probably play in Tunica almost as much. And that market is definitely not healthy either. My results in Vegas and Tunica are both in line of "normal". One problem is being pretty certain of "abnormal" results can take a lot of play. I'll never play that many hands in AC for sure. I'd rather go to Vegas...
Yes, it could be manipulated. If you think casinos and IGT are in cahoots with cheating the player by breaking laws, I can't 100% assure you are incorrect. I'm at least 99.54% sure though (bad video poker joke)...lol In my hundreds of thousands of hands of video poker in casinos across the country, I feel like my results are well in line with what a "fair game" would provide.[/QUOTE]
Correct me if I'm wrong vman, but isn't the majority of your play in Vegas? If so then I'm in agreement with you....I've said it many times, I do have confidence in Nevada casinos.
The point Jeter made centers around the dubious market of AC, which only in the last year has stabilized and stopped the bleeding and is finally showing glimmers of recovery, albeit never to the heyday of the late 90s. Many players, of every level in terms of TR status, hold to the suspicion that AC casinos are not as kosher as they should be....neither viewpoint can be proven to a degree of certainty, but if....IF you were to play in AC often you might understand why this suspicion exists.[/QUOTE]
Majority? Meh...I probably play in Tunica almost as much. And that market is definitely not healthy either. My results in Vegas and Tunica are both in line of "normal". One problem is being pretty certain of "abnormal" results can take a lot of play. I'll never play that many hands in AC for sure. I'd rather go to Vegas...
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DougJ
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The technology is there if someone wanted to manipulate it. I’ve lost the confidence that I one time had that it is all random. I just seen too much for my own eyes.
There is a valid reason why no one, including the self-professed VP experts, talk about string manipulation:
** because they don't have the intelligence to understand it and how it applies to VP today. Even if they did, they are not going to eliminate their sole income source (books, software, a rabbit foot)
So, yes, the "technology" is there, though I don't call it that, and yes, it is manipulated.
"Random" doesn't mean what folks think.
There is a valid reason why no one, including the self-professed VP experts, talk about string manipulation:
** because they don't have the intelligence to understand it and how it applies to VP today. Even if they did, they are not going to eliminate their sole income source (books, software, a rabbit foot)
So, yes, the "technology" is there, though I don't call it that, and yes, it is manipulated.
"Random" doesn't mean what folks think.
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