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[Eduardo]

There are some casino gifts and giveaways that, every now and then, are indeed "cool" or "useful" or GOOD, but the majority is indeed stuff you see on sale in the clearance aisle at "Crazy Vladimir's Discount Dugout", or your 99 cent Store, take your pick.What is this you have to say about my clearance aisle? Can you say that just... one more time for me please while we wait for my KGB agents to arrive?

[billryan]

   Thanks for the props DougJ but I don't reside in Joliet. And as far as you calling Joliet a "ghetto" the Family Median Income in Joliet is $70,489.00 per annum.


Edited to add: Just for comparison, the family median income in Las Vegas is $51,853.00 and the median family income in Cambridge Massachusetts is $73,312.00 I wrote the names of a few east coast cities to pick from and wouldn't you know, I wrote the names of a few east coast cities on slips of paper and tossed them into a hat to pick one to use and I picked Cambridge. How fortuitous was that?

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

These comparisons get tricky because it's confusing if those figures are for the Las Vegas Valley or The City of Las Vegas? The City is small, doesn't have many casinos and tends to have a lot of low income areas. Out here, they call them "the hood", not the ghetto.
Most of the Strip Casinos are in Winchester, or Paradise. Not Las Vegas proper.

[Tedlark]

I got those numbers from city-data.com using Joliet Illinois, Las Vegas Nevada, and Cambridge Massachusetts as my search criteria.

[b74]

For the people who claim that positive games aren’t being played and also the people who claim proper strategy isn’t being used, please. Is that your argument every time? How do you come to the assumption that this is evident in these claims? Ive put the years in. I know the strategy. I’ve played the best games available. Read the books. Wagered the money. Spent countless hours on end. I really couldn’t care less if anyone believes it or not. I know the truth. I’ve seen the results.
It’s conceivable to me at this point that the whole theory of applying mathematics to the games of yesterday to the games of today on an even keel may be flawed. After amassing nearly 1000000 tier points at the top level and being comped very handsomely , I’ve finally given up my card. I’ve recently turned down a very enticing offer that would include free everything but airfare. They know if I come, I will play and play heavy. The only reason I mention these things, is to give naysayers an example that I wasn’t playing as a weekend warrior. I’m not fos. I’m proud for quitting and for smelling a rat. When you’ve spent a good fraction of your life pounding those buttons and enduring all of the garbage associated with these establishments then and only then will you have a reasonable opinion.

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=DaBurglar]
There are some casino gifts and giveaways that, every now and then, are indeed "cool" or "useful" or GOOD, but the majority is indeed stuff you see on sale in the clearance aisle at "Crazy Vladimir's Discount Dugout", or your 99 cent Store, take your pick.What is this you have to say about my clearance aisle? Can you say that just... one more time for me please while we wait for my KGB agents to arrive?
[/QUOTE]NOW THAT'S FUNNY......I wasn't even thinking  SPECIFICALLY of Putin when I typed "Crazy Vladimir".....It was simply the first name that pooped in my head in making my point on the cheap quality nature of many Casino gifts & giveaways....I won't ask where or how you found that picture so seemingly easy and seamless!  Don't tell me you have "Russia File" on your computer!  I'm Calling Mr. Mueller PS-  The expression on Putin's face in that pic is priceless, makes your actual post and quip all the funnier!    Oh, and the KGB is gone, it is now the FSB (or, whichever RUssian Mafia Outfit President Putin wants to utilize on any given SUnday....lol)

[New2vp]

For the people who claim that positive games aren’t being played and also the people who claim proper strategy isn’t being used, please. Is that your argument every time? How do you come to the assumption that this is evident in these claims? Ive put the years in. I know the strategy. I’ve played the best games available. Read the books. Wagered the money. Spent countless hours on end. I really couldn’t care less if anyone believes it or not. I know the truth. I’ve seen the results.
It’s conceivable to me at this point that the whole theory of applying mathematics to the games of yesterday to the games of today on an even keel may be flawed. After amassing nearly 1000000 tier points at the top level and being comped very handsomely , I’ve finally given up my card. I’ve recently turned down a very enticing offer that would include free everything but airfare. They know if I come, I will play and play heavy. The only reason I mention these things, is to give naysayers an example that I wasn’t playing as a weekend warrior. I’m not fos. I’m proud for quitting and for smelling a rat. When you’ve spent a good fraction of your life pounding those buttons and enduring all of the garbage associated with these establishments then and only then will you have a reasonable opinion. I'm sorry to hear about your bad luck ... or at least your poor experiences.How did you catch on to the realization that something fishy (or ratty) going on as opposed to you just having a down year on legitimately random games?  What statistical method did you employ?  Which were your favorite games and casinos?  Did you use the whole advantage-player playbook?  Like drawings and mailers, big multiplier days, etc.?I highlighted a phrase in what you wrote.  Why did you use "may be flawed" as opposed to something like "is most certainly flawed" or "is clearly flawed"?It wasn't until I read through your post a couple times before I realized what "fos" meant.  I don't think I'd seen that acronym before!

[DaBurglar]

I'm sorry to hear about your bad luck ... or at least your poor experiences.How did you catch on to the realization that something fishy (or ratty) going on as opposed to you just having a down year on legitimately random games?  What statistical method did you employ?  Which were your favorite games and casinos?  Did you use the whole advantage-player playbook?  Like drawings and mailers, big multiplier days, etc.?I highlighted a phrase in what you wrote.  Why did you use "may be flawed" as opposed to something like "is most certainly flawed" or "is clearly flawed"?It wasn't until I read through your post a couple times before I realized what "fos" meant.  I don't think I'd seen that acronym before! why it is people simply can no longer be allowed to just come on here and VENT and express their own, uniquely personal experiences, as well as their OPINION(s) regarding the OBVIOUSLY true fact that the game(s) of Video Poker today, along with many casinos themselves, are DIFFERENT than they were back in the 1990s and early 2000s.....without a select number of someones immediately pouncing on them and emphatically grilling them for PROOF that their OPINION is indeed CORRECT?    Come on....Do you realize just how many MUNDANE decisions people (including YOU) make everyday/week/month based on ideas/opinions/notions/assumptions for which you actually do not have mathematical proof/certainty that you are correct?   Poster b74 is expressing a fairly common perception among video poker players according also to MY OWN personal realm of experience, namely that, as time and technology have evolved over the past two decades and casinos themselves have proliferated to the point of SATURATION, the typical video poker experience & results has changed as well, and NOT in a advantageous way for the typical player.    And it is NOT simply and solely because of the obvious aspects like tougher paytables and stingier, lower quality comps.   b74 asserts he is a VERY experienced player (like many of us), which therefore means he does in fact have the ability to intuitively "know" many things (just as I am certain YOU, New2vp, intuitively know many things about VP and other aspects of gambling.)   Intuitively, in today's modern casinos playing today's typical Video Poker offerings, it is more difficult to WIN/break even  (or at least to avoid numerous harsh one-sided losing sessions)....this is a common conclusion among the people I generally know who play VP in casinos....the consistent belief that today it is harder to catch Royals is fairly common among players but WHY this is so is an open issue....perhaps it is due to the tremendous SPEED at which today's games operate, or the technical way results are compiled....??   Do you know EVERY SINGLE aspect and nuance of today's technology?  I'm just asking.....MOST don't, even me.Your (and others') own obvious deep seated  "FAITH" in the integrity of today's casinos and video poker, and your belief that if near-perfect play is established, judicious game selection employed, and all opportunities taken advantage of, that players in general should experience good solid results is, in practical application, about as PROVABLE as b74's version of reality.    It's obvious that players SHOULD do the things you advocate if they want the best results.....I try to do the right things when I select and play VP.   Many players try to do this....despite this, it still has resulted in poor overall results for many, thus prompting the questions & feelings of b74s expressive statement.I agree with you NEW2VP  that there is a correct, "BEST" way to play (and I also BELIEVE according to my own experience and others) that Nevada casinos are generally EXACTLY as they are supposed to be and as players like us expect, most likely due to that State's EXTENSIVE oversight and experience (70+ years) with gambling.....

[New2vp]

[QUOTE=New2vp] I'm sorry to hear about your bad luck ... or at least your poor experiences.How did you catch on to the realization that something fishy (or ratty) going on as opposed to you just having a down year on legitimately random games?  What statistical method did you employ?  Which were your favorite games and casinos?  Did you use the whole advantage-player playbook?  Like drawings and mailers, big multiplier days, etc.?I highlighted a phrase in what you wrote.  Why did you use "may be flawed" as opposed to something like "is most certainly flawed" or "is clearly flawed"?It wasn't until I read through your post a couple times before I realized what "fos" meant.  I don't think I'd seen that acronym before! why it is people simply can no longer be allowed to just come on here and VENT and express their own, uniquely personal experiences, as well as their OPINION(s) regarding the OBVIOUSLY true fact that the game(s) of Video Poker today, along with many casinos themselves, are DIFFERENT than they were back in the 1990s and early 2000s.....without a select number of someones immediately pouncing on them and emphatically grilling them for PROOF that their OPINION is indeed CORRECT?   


[/QUOTE]I'm sorry.  I didn't see the part where I've prevented anyone from expressing their own uniquely personal experience.  Is it your assumption that b74 doesn't have any evidence?  Or is that also an unfair question?  Haven't you asked similar questions relating to postings of other players requesting them to expound on which casinos had produced their play? Would it be easier for you to read and understand if I capitalized every 4th or 5th word?  Or would it be better for you if I did not capitalize the first letter of the first word in some of my sentences?  What is it about those questions that most frightened you?  Were you put off by the lack of asperity, mordancy, or virulence in my post?  
[QUOTE=DougJ]  Phil and you normally get the brunt of this . . . so happy to deflect
that!!You need not orry about deflecting anything
from ME/MYSELF/MOI......I enjoy (most of) it.....[/QUOTE]Maybe your skin is thinner than you let on?  Why do you have so much invested in b74's short statement?Based on what's above, I see that you prefer the crassness of others' posts to mine.  I understand that even though I myself instead prefer more civility, geniality, and politeness.  To each his own, I guess.Sorry, I won't be around for your scintillating response.  There's some work to attend to today.  My answer would probably disappoint you anyway.

[New2vp]

Your (and others') own obvious deep seated  "FAITH" in the integrity of today's casinos and video poker, and your belief that if near-perfect play is established, judicious game selection employed, and all opportunities taken advantage of, that players in general should experience good solid results is, in practical application, about as PROVABLE as b74's version of reality.    It's obvious that players SHOULD do the things you advocate if they want the best results.....I try to do the right things when I select and play VP.   Many players try to do this....despite this, it still has resulted in poor overall results for many, thus prompting the questions & feelings of b74s expressive statement.I agree with you NEW2VP  that there is a correct, "BEST" way to play (and I also BELIEVE according to my own experience and others) that Nevada casinos are generally EXACTLY as they are supposed to be and as players like us expect, most likely due to that State's EXTENSIVE oversight and experience (70+ years) with gambling.....



Thanks for the plaudits.  I had not read the edits that you made after posting.  But my post did not express some of what you wrote.  So, I guess I should just amend this by writing:*** Caution:  The opinions expressed by DaBurglar credited to New2vp may be a product of DaBurglar's imagination or creativity and do not necessarily represent the official position of New2vp. ***

[royal flush]

if you believe the games are rigged and unbeatable why play