Recreational Money Management

[wildman49]

Phil will you be going to this promo at the Hard Rock tomorrow? This looks like a nice one.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=Dougj]Tsk tsk.
The truth about gambling losses must have hit a little too close to home for you.[/quote]Haven't you heard?  Vegas players never lose. 

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=wildman49]Phil will you be going to this promo at the Hard Rock tomorrow? This looks like a nice one.[/quote]No, we will be there on Thursday. The Tampa Hard Rock has some great promotions.  I like the one you asked about because the names are pulled every seven minutes.   I haven't won yet, but I am hopeful.   Paying attention to promotions is a great way to reduce your cost to play these games.   What's interesting is that some of them are "guaranteed" and some are not.   A few years back I was able to sit down with one of the Tampa managers and he gave me  the key promotion words to look for.   This happened after I drove all the way to Tampa to take advantage of a large free play offer.  When I got there, the free play that I thought I was promised didn't materialize.  When I went to the player's club, they explained the differences.What I watch for in Tampa are the Bonus free play days.  One day a month is "Big Bonus" free play day and I always play on that day.    Last week was one of those.  My free play was $130.  This was huge for me and added an extra 25% to my daily bankroll.   They are always giving away bottles of booze, free drink glasses and merchandise cards.   I pass on most of them unless they can be converted to something I can use.The biggest comps for us are hotel room stays.  Unfortunately, they are hard to get in Tampa.  A decent player can get a room in Hollywood most any weekday.  Instead of paying for vacations, we stay at casinos.  We do this at least once a month.  Most of our rooms in our upcoming spring road trip are comped.   If you add up 20 or so of these nights at $150 a night, they are worth about $3,000 or three quarter royals a year.  Food credit is also nice.  We don't enjoy eating in fancy restaurants, been there done that.   The coffee shops and cafes are fine with us.

[DougJ]

. .   As it is, every time we are attacked we are forced to respond.   If they want a Forum in constant turmoil, so be it.  All we want is to be able to discuss VP as entertainment without the personal insults and attacks . .    Some players believe we are "paying their bills".  Who cares?  It's our money and we should be able to talk about or play any way we want without some jerk cutting in.





(1) Personal insults and attacks are the norm for this forum. You are not "forced to respond" and shouldn't waste another second thinking about it. I like reading your posts, so please continue!!

(2) I've noted before that the web admin person here either ignores or encourages the nonsense here. Folks can disappear for months, return to this forum, and NOTHING has changed . . . same old immature childish banter. Whining, boasting, stomping the feet because someone feels "entitled" to post here, but others should be excluded. This thread devolving, once again, to "what to do about Phil" is ludicrous. Thanks to web admin.

(3) Your key phrase: who cares. This is why some posters persist in coming to the Recreational Forum. Just in case everyone missed their expert advice.

Again, it's YOUR money, and readers, especially forum lurkers, can think for themselves when reading posts here.

[DougJ]

Phil will you be going to this promo at the Hard Rock tomorrow? This looks like a nice one.



THANK YOU!!! A normal, helpful, post.   

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=DougJ] Personal insults and attacks are the norm for this forum. You are not
"forced to respond" and shouldn't waste another second thinking about
it. I like reading your posts, so please continue!![/quote]I don't let it bother me.  Some people enjoy controversy and will go out of their way to stir it up. I have to admit it's more entertaining than reading about .03% hand plays.  How boring is that?When I came to this forum ten or so years ago, all I heard was the constant drone of  Advantage players telling me how to play VP.  I heard about nice lifestyles, $100,000 royals, free cars and comped cruises.   I had just won $15,000 in one day in Biloxi and believed a video poker machine was an ATM.  After reading Million Dollar Video Poker, it was "Look out world, here I come!".   I ignored the fact that I wasn't a Vegas insider.  I was totally blinded by my big win. It didn't take me long to give all the money back.   I pulled a bunch of money out of my bank accounts believing the machines owed me a profit.  Luckily, two things happened.  First, my wife told me I was an idiot for believing that crap and second my financial advisor told me the same thing.The good news was my loss was a life lesson and not devastating to my bank account or my marriage.  Others may not be that lucky.I am not on this forum to dispute anyone or anything.  I am here to talk about what happens when I play and that's what I do.

[New2vp]

When I came to this forum ten or so years ago, all I heard was the constant drone of  Advantage players telling me how to play VP.  I heard about nice lifestyles, $100,000 royals, free cars and comped cruises.   I had just won $15,000 in one day in Biloxi and believed a video poker machine was an ATM.  After reading Million Dollar Video Poker, it was "Look out world, here I come!".   I ignored the fact that I wasn't a Vegas insider.  I was totally blinded by my big win. It didn't take me long to give all the money back.   I pulled a bunch of money out of my bank accounts believing the machines owed me a profit.  Luckily, two things happened.  First, my wife told me I was an idiot for believing that crap and second my financial advisor told me the same thing.The good news was my loss was a life lesson and not devastating to my bank account or my marriage.  Others may not be that lucky.Ok, I get it.  You blame Bob for your misfortune, not yourself.  Your wife and your financial adviser helped you understand what you couldn't figure out on your own.  I never read "Million Dollar Video Poker," so I don't know if it ever mentions that positive games might be a part of that equation.  It must have been nearly hypnotic.  I think you've said elsewhere that you've read everything he has ever written.  I get it.  In all those writings, he wasn't clear enough that you might not have his fortunate results playing negative games.  So you think it's important to warn others who aren't as lucky to have excellent counsel around them as you were. I am not on this forum to dispute anyone or anything.Check.  So you do not think it's important to warn others about the evils of Bob's advice when unchecked by your prudent cautions.  So I won't get to read more about that from you in the future.  Wow, so much to process!

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=case] Doug is a new player to the gambling world. Because he struggles he assumes everyone else is also. Keep working on your game doggie and one day you “may” understand how it is done.....maybe

Tsk tsk.

The truth about gambling losses must have hit a little too close to home for you.

[/QUOTE]You certainly could be correct....sometimes all you need to do is question or express skepticism (of their results, methods, theories, integrity) and it sets off so-called "serious"  or  "professional"  or  "Advantage"  Gamblers/players, as if you just called them some filthy awful insult....I accept there are successful professional gamblers the world over.....but the more self-serving, dishonest (or arrogant) ones tend to distort or paint a rosier picture than is reality.     The facts are, professional gambling is a JOB....it is work.....it requires steadfast dedication and much grunt work, tedious at times.   IF you really truly enjoy living in casinos, then its for you (Assuming you can do the math and thinking involved, have the discipline and are NOT self destructive.)Casinos are NOT set up to make this life choice/ lifestyle easily doable or attainable....some casinos even actively discourage or chase off advantage professionals, depending on the threat to the bottom line.Our Bob Dancer is unique....he clearly has cultivated some personal relationships with certain casino owners and executives that serve to HELP him in his endeavors.....not everyone can do this.   and AGAIN, Bob has certain INSIDE Information and tactics that he simply does not share....why is this so hard for people to grasp?   I don't particularly LIKE most professional gamblers I meet....they tend to be obnoxious, shallow, unfriendly, poor social skills, etc.  But NOT all are like that.....I have a few friends in this line of work.    I've never met Bob Dancer personally, I only know him on this forum.   He is at times very terse and unfriendly.....I'm sure he feels justified being this way, but in his line of work HE MUST have some charm and social skills, particularly in person.  I also enjoy Floridaphil's unique perspective and what he shares.....I don't agree with a lot of what he does, but I respect it.....he seems like a normal decent person and I look forward to meeting him soon on his upcoming trip to this area.   In no way should he be "banned".....No one should be banned except for the most hostile vile posts or similar offenses.    This is America......Having said all that nice stuff......What the hell is it with people like Case, who clearly fancies himself a "Winner", making statements like the rest of the gaming public who generally LOSE when they go to casinos, are "Paying for his entertainment" etc?   How absurd is this reasoning????Take Caesars Entertainment, just as one example (CET)......I do not have the latest figures for the corporation, but their typical years revenue stands in the many tens of Billons of dollars, does it not?    If someone like myself, who is NOT a VP newcomer or neophyte, who does know (and attains) perfect strategy on at least two basic VP variants (JOB and BP, and pretty damn near on DDB) still loses in a typical year a total of 7-8 grand from 5-6 trips of 3-4 days each (for a total of about 20 casino days), the only reason to say to ME that I am supporting a alleged "Winner's fun, enjoyment, and lifestyle" is to just be a arrogant silly Pr*ck.     The simple fact is, IF.....IF a player does indeed become TOO successful a winner (at whatever game, but especially so called Skill games like BJ or indeed, Video Poker) it is conceivable a casino or multiple casinos could EXCLUDE his arse.    It does happen.....Does Case believe welfare recipients actual sit in their homes and chortle and gloat over the sucker taxpayers footing their "dole"?    I'm sure you could find a few such imbeciles, but the majority do not look at it like that, and once again, the system and numbers are so VAST and disparate, what's the point?   If you are indeed a "Winner" (and I mean a real bonafide winner, consistent and with significant amounts) then just be happy and content with yourself, and don't poke the so -called losers you feel are making it possible.....they might just go away and cease playing.    Good grief, then where'd you be?!?!?!

[DougJ]

. . .    Bob Dancer is unique....he clearly has cultivated some personal relationships with certain casino owners and executives that serve to HELP him in his endeavors.....not everyone can do this.   and AGAIN, Bob has certain INSIDE Information and tactics that he simply does not share....why is this so hard for people to grasp?   I don't particularly LIKE most professional gamblers I meet....they tend to be obnoxious, shallow, unfriendly, poor social skills, etc.  But NOT all are like that.....I have a few friends in this line of work.    I've never met Bob Dancer personally, I only know him on this forum.   He is at times very terse and unfriendly.....I'm sure he feels justified being this way, but in his line of work HE MUST have some charm and social skills, particularly in person. . .

I've met "Bob" and went to a South Point class. Since this is the Recreational Forum, we can talk about your points above. You way over estimate his "inside information" but you are spot on with his demeanor.

Stuff that he posts is intended to be divisive and inflammatory. Bad publicity is better than none.

I don't know how many forums you read, but take a look at this thread from elsewhere, all commenting on a recent column he wrote, where he mocks folks HERE.
Thank goodness I have never posted photos of my jackpots, ha ha ha.
Here it is, enjoy reading, and it does have the link to his recent column (because bad publicity is better than none):

https://vegasfanatics.com/index.php?thr ... lumn.4163/

Oops, apparently you can't click on above, may need to cut and paste it. Sorry

[FAA]

DB, at least your $8,000 bought you a Diamond card. Imagine how upsetting it would be to flush that away for a Platinum. You had a big win or two to hold your annual loss to four figures. Congratulations.