Should You Play $5 Games?

[FAA]

Mark, players don't flatly abstain from negative games when they crave VP and Vegas is over a day trip's distance away. This is the very sort of patronizing stance that offends Phil and myself. Feel better.

[markinca]

Mark, players don't flatly abstain from negative games when they crave VP and Vegas is over a day trip's distance away. This is the very sort of patronizing stance that offends Phil and myself. Feel better.

I'm no stranger to <100% games. When I go visit my parents and there are Indian casinos nearby, there aren't any >100% games to be found. But my mom enjoys playing, and I enjoy playing, so we play, and have fun.

But the difference between me and Phil is that I understand I'm playing a negative game and I don't expect there to be any possibility for me to be up over the long haul. Phil believes in some fairytale land where every player, regardless of machine, is just as likely to be up over the long haul given enough luck.

I, unlike Phil, don't start pointing fingers at Dancer, saying that his advice is dangerous because I'm smart enough to understand that Dancer himself would advise that I not play the games I play in these Indian casinos.

I, unlike Phil, don't start making up shadow conspiracies and stories of the discarded cards being redrawn.

I, unlike Phil, don't claim that machines are rigged when I lose money, especially if I'm playing suboptimal strategy, as Phil does.

My comment was not meant to be patronizing, and if Phil feels that way, I really don't care, since it's clear at this point that Phil doesn't actually read and understand anything anyone tells him anyway.

[FAA]

Yeah, Phil does emphasize the third rail danger of Dancer, since the advice is squarely predicated on Positive games, a pipe dream for most. We as savvy consumers merely consider the advice irrelevant and shrug. Phil's savvy too. He just wants everyone to get woke.

[markinca]

Yeah, Phil does emphasize the third rail danger of Dancer, since the advice is squarely predicated on Positive games, a pipe dream for most. We as savvy consumers merely consider the advice irrelevant and shrug. Phil's savvy too. He just wants everyone to get woke.

Well that's the problem. If Phil just considered Dancer's advice irrelevant and shrugged it off, there'd be no problems in this forum whatsoever. The problem, of course, is that Phil criticizes/attacks Dancer (and any other APs) for their advice, when the advice given doesn't even apply to the games Phil plays on.

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=FAA] Yeah, Phil does emphasize the third rail danger of Dancer, since the advice is squarely predicated on Positive games, a pipe dream for most. We as savvy consumers merely consider the advice irrelevant and shrug. Phil's savvy too. He just wants everyone to get woke.

Well that's the problem. If Phil just considered Dancer's advice irrelevant and shrugged it off, there'd be no problems in this forum whatsoever. The problem, of course, is that Phil criticizes/attacks Dancer (and any other APs) for their advice, when the advice given doesn't even apply to the games Phil plays on.[/QUOTE]What about all the criticizing of the criticizing of Bob Dancer?  In my experience, when people put themselves out in front (i.e. as the foremost authority) of any field or area of expertise/interest, they can count on (and should expect) a certain amount of criticism and adversity.   It basically comes with the territory and seems to be one of those unwritten rules of the universe....when you are PERCEIVED as being "on top"  or "number one", you will receive criticism and flack.Is it right?  Probably not......I've always defended Phil's right to speak his opinion, but I also recognize their is a fine line between legitimate and fair criticism, and obsessive trolling (boy, do I KNOW about being trolled.....)I don't think Phil concocted a phony incident with the Borgota VP machine.....I truly believe both Phil and his wife saw what they saw.....those machines there (@ Borgota) are indeed Vintage 15-20 years ago, and probably should be put to pasture in favor of newer technology!   Perhaps Borgota's general ownership may have inadvertently caused delays or pauses in refreshing their inventory of new VP machines, or perhaps they are due to change to a FULL server based system and are waiting until the last possible moment and (in the meantime) not doing squat to their current inventory in terms of maintenance......who knows?!?!?   

[Webman]

How bout this... since this is the Recreational Forum, where advantage play is not the goal, and Bob Dancer's focus is purely on advantage play, we stop talking about Bob Dancer in the Recreational Forum?

That's the entire reason the Recreation Forum exists, and why his post was moved out of it since it focused on Advantage Play.

I realize you get that itch to respond to everything Bob posts with the disclaimer that it may not be good advice for recreational players. But there have been enough such posts now that anyone reading here gets your message.

Let Bob talk about advantage plays, you focus on great recreational opportunities that are out there, and just leave one another alone since your focus is entirely different.

Those who want to learn about advantage play can visit the strategy forum. Those who want to play recreationally can visit this forum. And hopefully there is something to learn both places depending on people's interests.

Thanks.