No Quads!

[Jstark]

I still haven't figured out how to resize these pictures. Nothing on imgur is helpful.

[pokerpokerpoker]

When it comes to streaks in this game, winning or losing, nothing surprises me anymore.

Last week I played 2 quick sessions totaling one hour of play. I hit 6 quads during that hour - 4 regular and 2 premiums. I would estimate I played 600-700 hands.

My current bad streak is 1 for 18 in catching the kicker on the premium quads playing DDB and TDB. That is over the last several months. Four or five times I had 2,3,4s dealt and still couldn't connect. On $1 TDB, that is a $1600 difference in the payout. Due to this, I am running way below expectations.

A couple years ago I won 15 out of 18 sessions - something I probably won't be able to duplicate.

[binoy]

Played about 3 hours at the Orleans DDB, got four quads and 18 three aces. I know all casinos r tight but we keep going back for more. If I got one quad of aces I’d be in shock. A Royal,what’s that?

[New2vp]

Pay tables have nothing to do with the frequency of quads.This isn't the recreational section, so I'm guessing someone should point out how naive this declaration is.  Did you check out this statement with your wife before posting?  I only ask because you have recently pointed out that she "is very sharp with numbers and probably more intelligent than anyone on this forum."  If she is, she could have likely helped you here if you would have listened to her.Of course the frequencies of all types of final hands, including quads, are different with different pay tables if you adjust your hold strategy when there is a change in pay table or the base game.  Whether you adjust it perfectly or not, as long as you make some adjustment, the frequencies of final hands change.  That's the basic reason a lot of people choose to play video poker instead of slots ... because their choices have influence on the frequencies of final hands.  I generally point this out to novice or intermediate video poker players who can't see this for themselves.  I hope this helps.

[Vman96]

[QUOTE=FloridaPhil]

Pay tables have nothing to do with the frequency of quads.This isn't the recreational section, so I'm guessing someone should point out how naive this declaration is.  Did you check out this statement with your wife before posting?  I only ask because you have recently pointed out that she "is very sharp with numbers and probably more intelligent than anyone on this forum."  If she is, she could have likely helped you here if you would have listened to her.Of course the frequencies of all types of final hands, including quads, are different with different pay tables if you adjust your hold strategy when there is a change in pay table or the base game.  Whether you adjust it perfectly or not, as long as you make some adjustment, the frequencies of final hands change.  That's the basic reason a lot of people choose to play video poker instead of slots ... because their choices have influence on the frequencies of final hands.  I generally point this out to novice or intermediate video poker players who can't see this for themselves.  I hope this helps.[/QUOTE]

He's closer to right than wrong though with his point. Quad frequency doesn't change very much among most paytables when one plays optimally. But yes, the only thing that changes quad frequency long term is the player's decisions. If a person decides to use 9/6 JoB strategy regardless of the game played their quad frequency should be about 1 in 422 in the long term.

[Waiting4RF]

Dealt quad frequency is the same for all non-wild card games. Those dealt quads are included in the total quad frequency numbers like the 1 in 422 frequency.

[olds442jetaway]

I haven't done the math because I'm so rusty with my stat knowledge I didn't calculate it, but my average playing 9/6 job is about one dealt quad per session of 8 hours or about 4800 hands. Now, I'm curious and have to check how close to average that really is. I will edit my post a little later tomorrow if I fall asleep.

     Hey...pretty close...one dealt quad every 4,167 hands.

[New2vp]

[QUOTE=New2vp]
[QUOTE=FloridaPhil]

Pay tables have nothing to do with the frequency of quads.This isn't the recreational section, so I'm guessing someone should point out how naive this declaration is  ... Of course the frequencies of all types of final hands, including quads, are different with different pay tables if you adjust your hold strategy when there is a change in pay table or the base game.  [/QUOTE]

He's closer to right than wrong though with his point. Quad frequency doesn't change very much among most paytables when one plays optimally. But yes, the only thing that changes quad frequency long term is the player's decisions. If a person decides to use 9/6 JoB strategy regardless of the game played their quad frequency should be about 1 in 422 in the long term.[/QUOTE]Vman, I'm sure you were able to answer true/false math questions better than that along the way in your education BEFORE getting your Ph.D.  Your post would have been more accurate without its first sentence.  However, your first sentence itself is "closer to wrong than right" ... in that it is wrong ... as was Phil's naive statement.Unlike Phil's declaration, I can excuse your statement because it makes your response snappier and I know from past posts (and your explanation in this one) that you generally know what you are talking about.  And in the problems you solve with your engineering background, getting close to an answer, within a given tolerance, is often good enough.  Hence the old joke that answers the question, "What is 2+2?"  The accountant:  "What do you want it to be?"  The lawyer: "Whatever the judge says it is."  The engineer:  "Somewhere between 3.997 and 4.003."I'll give you a makeup exam.  Are these two statements saying the same thing?  Yes or no? (Note:  these are quotations from recent posts)A.  Quad frequency doesn't change very much among most paytables.B.  Pay tables have nothing to do with the frequency of quads.I'll leave this as an exercise to the reader, but I'll give you a hint that most of the time you are better off going with Vman's words than Phil's when they oppose one another..What is 2+2?  I might even entertain an answer of 100 ... if the responder was replying in binary. You may not get a laugh if you stick with an answer of 4, but you usually won't be wrong.

[New2vp]

I haven't done the math because I'm so rusty with my stat knowledge I didn't calculate it, but my average playing 9/6 job is about one dealt quad per session of 8 hours or about 4800 hands. Now, I'm curious and have to check how close to average that really is. I will edit my post a little later tomorrow if I fall asleep.

     Hey...pretty close...one dealt quad every 4,167 hands.Olds, you're getting warmer.  One dealt quad every 4165 hands.  But Vman may support your answer since he likely learned that the last listed significant digit, the 7 in this case, was allowed to be uncertain.  Of course, for those who don't believe that RNGs are fair, the ratio is even more mysterious.  We see lots of posts suggesting that observations of quad aces or quad twos thru fours might be higher when playing Jacks or Better than the bonus games.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=Jstark]I still haven't figured out how to resize these pictures. Nothing on imgur is helpful[/quote]You haven't figured out what a 100% VP game is either.    Put your big boy pants on and play like a man.