How is this for irony

[Tedlark]

New - I apologize for not inputting the full context of Phil and his tasking people with finding "any positive VP opportunities in Florida for anyone."

I would not say that broken commitments are on par with broken promises but I guess that would be up to who the promises were made to. I recently had a run in with another broken commitment but that involved VP play in a different state.

I for one, try to live up to commitments that I make.

[pokerforme]

This not being the recreational forum means FP should stop posting here. And calling people idiots is the exact reason he isn’t supposed to be out of that forum.

[FloridaPhil]

I agree the Stories Forum should not be a place for VP Strategy discussions.  It should also not be used to take jabs across Forums at other members.    It should be a place for "Stories".    From now on I will do my best to adhere to this policy.  It would please me greatly if I never had to mention anyone by name on
this forum again.  Unfortunately, some members feel the need to continually name me in
their posts.  I had no reason to post in this thread until I was drawn
into it after my name was mentioned.  When this happens, I will respond. The Strategy forum is a place where players who value mathematical accuracy and profit over all else can discuss tactics.   I do not, so it makes no sense for me to get involved in those discussions.  The Recreational forum is suppose to be a place where players who value entertainment over profit can converse in peace.  If members would stay where they feel most comfortable, we would have less problems.Maybe what we need is an "Arguing Forum" where people who enjoy that activity could spare back and forth all day?  Those that don't like controversy would be spared.I can't understand how someone plays VP with their own money can solicit such feelings.   Who is hurt if I or anyone wants to play single coin quarter VP to stretch their bankroll?   Who cares if a quarter Recreational player who wants to see more royals keeps an ace ten when math says it costs 4 cents to do so?    It's fair to point out the cost of the error.  It's unfair to call another player unintelligent or indiscipline for making a personal decision based on what they want to game to be. Let's try to get along and understand each other's views.  There is no need for a "scorched earth" policy when it comes to VP discussions.  If you don't want read my comments, don't address me by name. 

[Eduardo]

Nobody has an issue with you playing single coin quarters or keeping an ace ten. Nobody wants you to be an AP like you seem to think.The issue is your analysis of expectations when using these methods.

[FloridaPhil]

Eduardo, I don't have a problem with how anyone plays VP as long as they are happy with what they are doing.  I do have a problem with others pushing a universal VP strategy on players because they think it's infallible.   I have played enough VP to know there is no 100% guaranteed to win short or long term strategy, especially when the word "win" has different meanings to different players.   If you are playing VP exclusively for profit, I think you should follow the experts and do whatever it takes.   At the same time, try to have understanding and respect for those who play VP with other goals in mind.  That's all I am asking for.

[Jstark]

Again, such false information in the above post. Some people walk into casino with blinders on. Phil must be one of them.

[Eduardo]

Phil, at some point you have to realize the extent to which you are the source of these arguments. If you simply said "I like playing quarters! I like to hold and Ace Ten!" Nobody would care. Honestly, they wouldn't. Tons of us do these things all the time and don't get into these debates.Nobody is pushing a strategy on you. Play however you want and have fun. All people are doing is correcting incorrect statements and trying to make sure other players understand the consequences of the strategies you talk about and the opportunities that exist. You keep changing other people's words to create an argument and then blaming them for arguing. Example: No positive VP opportunities exist in Florida? You are shown one, then you say "long term ongoing opportunities" or something to that effect. Well, nobody said those exist. You obviously do not understand how AP play works these days, even though people talk about it quite often. APs always talk about the changing field, keeping an eye on promotions and taking advantage of them while they are available etc. Nobody said Florida has 100%+ machines that you can just sit down on and play for profit endlessly at the quarter level, yet you insist they prove such a thing exists? Nonsense.Another example: You blame Bob Dancer for encouraging people to play $5 VP. Yet this is the same guy who specifically told you NOT to play the machines you do, and to never play above one's means. The guy who is trying to keep you from losing your money and has told you not to play is the one you decide to blame? Nonsense.Look back on people's comments regarding your old CS strategy and see if people were trying to help you or hurt you. You came to the same conclusion they were telling you all along, yet you took great offense to it at the time. You put too much stock in your short term results.Nobody is pushing a strategy on you. They are trying to provide accurate information.

[New2vp]

Phil, at some point you have to realize the extent to which you are the source of these arguments ... Nobody is pushing a strategy on you. They are trying to provide accurate information.

Eduardo, extremely well said.  It was so well said that I would predict 99% of the people who post or read here will understand it.

[jetermacaw]

Great stuff Eduardo, I think you’re giving Phil great advice, unfortunately I don’t think he’ll get it.

[FloridaPhil]

I am not concerned with players who win long term.   It's the one's who are told they will and don't that I write about.  They are told to play positive games and can't find them.  They are told they must play computer perfect and they make errors.They are told they need to have discipline, then up their bet in an attempt to recover.They are told they need a bankroll big enough to wait out the longest downturn. so they hit the ATM.They can't understand why some people can live a great lifestyle from VP and they are told they aren't intelligent enough.The vast majority of video poker players lose money long term.   A tiny few make a living playing the game.For all these reasons, I have found the best plan for the most people is to treat VP as entertainment, play small, do the best you can and accept what happens as part of the game.    If that's all anyone ever gets out of my posts, I'm happy.