border question

[notes1]

I welcome LAWFUL immigrants to become citizens in the greatest nation on the face of the earth! America has always been a nation of immigrants. But we would be irresponsible citizens of the greatest nation on the face of the earth if we sat by idly and allowed a flood of illegal immigrants to break the law.

i believe the vast majority of americans would agree with your statement. but, try convincing those who want open borders. they cannot sell their concept to enough others, so they are willing to break the law, use/threaten violence and label those who disagree as bigots.

[DaBurglar]

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I welcome LAWFUL immigrants to become citizens in the greatest nation on the face of the earth! America has always been a nation of immigrants. But we would be irresponsible citizens of the greatest nation on the face of the earth if we sat by idly and allowed a flood of illegal immigrants to break the law.

i believe the vast majority of americans would agree with your statement. but, try convincing those who want open borders. they cannot sell their concept to enough others, so they are willing to break the law, use/threaten violence and label those who disagree as bigots.

[/QUOTE] I believe most americans agree with this as well.....but once again Notes1, just when i think there is agreement, you make this SAME assertion/statement:   That there are certain americans who want "open borders"....WHAT EXACTLY are you talking about here?  What is an "open border" as you keep asserting, and WHO is demanding it?   how does this "open border" differ from what we currently have (i.e. a "secure, economicallu functional border"  that certain people deliberately violate via remote, desolate areas along the massive border.)

[jetermacaw]

A sitting Senator is calling for the elimination of ICE.

[billryan]

A sitting Senator is calling for the elimination of ICE.



Arguing that the Trump administration’s focus on attacking undocumented immigrants has hindered the agency’s ability to effectively combat other issues, 19 agents heading ICE Homeland Security Investigations offices across the country have appealed to Homeland Security Secretary Kristjen Nielsen to dismantle their own agency and create two separate entities in its wake: One investigatory, to continue the crime, drug, and child pornography-related work HSI is involved in, and the other solely dedicated to immigration-related actions, such as arrests, detentions, and deportations.



Many agents within ICE are calling for its elimination, and have been for years.

Anyone familiar with its history can see the problems with it. It's the bastard child of several different agencies pasted together following the September 2001 attacks.
Prior to that, ICE didn't exist. Treasury,Customs and The INS took the worst parts of their jurisdictions and foisted it off on a new agency that couldn't say no.
Ice consists of several divisions. One division is supposed to keep the border crossers in check. Another division is supposed to try and control international crime and smuggling.

An unintended consequence of Sessions demanding zero tolerence on the border is that resources that once went into preventing drugs from being brought in by the cartels are now being used to hold
people guitly of a misdemeanor, at worst.
Who doesn't want to see mothers prosecuted for trying to give their children a better life while the cartels increase the drugs they bring in.

[notes1]

it is against the law to enter the usa illegally. ICE enforces the law.

the usa allows more LEGAL immigration than any other country. in excess of 1 million.

it is estimated that more than 3 billion people in the world live on less than $2.50 per day. in other words, they are poor.

i would suggest that going forward, every illegal alien that the liberals want to allow in, be placed in neighborhoods like beverly hills, manhattan, greenwich, etc.

[billryan]

Crossing the border is a misdemeanor.
Bringing drugs across is a felony.
I think most intelligent people would see that going after felony drug busts is a better use of limited resources than rounding up thousands of kids and transporting them all over the country.
By the way, your million number is way off. you might want to read the articles and not scan a headline. The often misused million number includes all immigrants all ready in the US that have a change of status. Someone living here for twenty years who is processed from Permanent Resident status to Citizen is included in the figure Rubio and others throw around. The actual number of immigrants accepted is closer to 400,000. About the number that attend many NASCAR races.

[notes1]

who cares whether the number includes change of status, it is still more than 1 million new legal citizens per year, since the year 2000. over the past 19 years, that would be almost the entire population of honduras, nicaragua and el salvador...COMBINED.

how many more does the left want?

how many are you housing, paying for their education, healthcare, food stamps, etc.

i would think most INTELLIGENT people would say america is doing it's fair share.

[billryan]

Your numbers are so far off as to be ridiculous.
You claim the US has allowed 19 million new citizens since 2000, right?   The facts say there are 21.2 million naturalized citizens living in the US and abroad and just under half of them have been naturalized since before 2000.
Are you willing to bet me a dime per person? How about Ten dollars a million people?
Most years, for the past 15, the US has allowed 700,000 or fewer citizenship applications to be finalized. If you think 19 million people is enough, than you should allow several million more to enter.
You post made up numbers and then get mad when people correct you. Do you have any rich relatives in florida, per chance? Your post lack the same ring of truth as Phils.

[notes1]

according to wikipedia, immigration to the usa is the international movement of individuals who are not native or do not possess citizenship in order to reside, settle, study or work in the country. they also state that the usa has a larger immigrant population than any other country on the planet, at 47 million, as of 2015. even more now.

according to wash post (6/28), one quarter of all immigrants in the usa are here illegally.

numerous sites state legal immigration has averaged about 1 million per year, since 2000.

still waiting for answers, if one million is not enough, how many immigrants do you want to allow in each year? how many of the 3 billion poor people do you want the usa to take in? how many immigrants are you personally supporting? do you believe in open borders?

i am happy, you sound angry. as i stated before, you are having a bad week, a bad 18 months.

i just hope you and your like minded friends keep espousing the views you have, open borders, eliminate ICE, russian/trump collusion, trump supporters are deplorable/uneducated, raise taxes, 'stormy', maxine/pelosi, guaranteed jobs for all, medicare for all, resist/protest/name call/intimidate. please keep it up.

[billryan]

The usa allows more LEGAL immigration than any other country. in excess of 1 million.

who cares whether the number includes change of status, it is still more than 1 million new legal citizens per year, since the year 2000

numerous sites state legal immigration has averaged about 1 million per year, since 2000.



That's just from the last three posts of yours.
A million new citizens, a million new something, something, whatever.....

Your intermixing terms like new citizens with immigrants seems to indicate a pretty basic misunderstanding of the entire debate, so enjoy your bliss.