Martingale coupled with Jacks 9/6

[stevel96a1]

i ran alot of sims todayon win poker , fiver joker poker, bonus poker, jacks or better, TDB, DDB, all the games we have access to AC'i tried them all and none of them came close to break a 10k credit roll, nearest wasddbaf (99.46) high high violent game to your bankroll but still 8k is not 10k and eventually lost alli got sick of guessing and i said hell with it let the MG (martingale have at it!) on 9/6i manage to win 10k credit with a spread of 0.25 to 1$ never had to break out the 2$ or 5$ lol not like i have that type of bankroll anyway but yea every time i won i lost and every time i lost i won.i really don't know the percentage wise i will go without a royal or continue to keep guessing wrong and increase the table limit but perfect strategy lead me to 1$ table and eventually won 10k$i also ran simulation on masque blackjack and  6 simulations resulted 2 losses 4 wins of 9k's so lost 18k and won 36k which isn't too bad for a crummy  1-5 spread 16min betso there you have it you wish to break a 10k barrier on 99.54 Martin gale is way to go about it i will test it more so tonight but yea all the other games and flat betting it just lost 10k credits yuck

[case]

How do you martingale vp. You mentioned a 0.25 to 1 $ spread. I don't understand

[stevel96a1]

well i gamble 1k$ (.25)lose that go to 2k$ (.50) lose that 4k(1) playing on computer i never went passed 1$ and won 10k$ or 10 royals winning/losses in the proccess

[stevel96a1]

2nd test shows me going to the 10$ table before reverting back to 0.25$ i do not have 5 bankrolls or (4k credit rolls from 0,25/.50/1/2/5/10$ but after losing 5 bank rolls , bank number 6 hit the 4k and recovered well roll # 5 got half 2k at 5$ table and 10$ table finished with 35ki could see this working in real life, i just dont have the currency to go that high or welcome the tax forms lol

[FloridaPhil]

Steve, I have experimented with VP denomination juggling schemes for a long time.  I even invented one myself call CS.   Olds442jetaway uses a version of Martingale and he enjoys playing that way.   After years of play and millions of hands, I think I am qualified to give an opinion.I called them schemes because they really aren't play strategies, they are betting systems.   I have seen some amazing results using these methods.  When you play single coin quarters all day, push the max coin button and hit a royal for $1,000, it will make you take notice.   When you do the same thing with dollars for $4,000, it makes you a believer.   I have posted a multitude of photos for Olds442jetaway on this forum showing many W2G jackpots using Martingale.The question is "Do these systems work better than traditional strategy?"    That all depends on your definition of "better".  From a long term profit standpoint, I say no.  I can tell you with confidence that steadily flat betting the same domination will give you the best monetary result down the road.  If you wish to know why I have come to that conclusion, I will be happy to.   However, systems like CS and Martingale add an element of excitement into the game than flat betting does not have.If I was going to use either of these systems, I would not play Jacks or Better.  I would play Deuces Wild.   Royals are too rare in Jacks.   Who wants to wait for months to hit a small royal when a huge payday was one hand away?   Wild card games work much better with these systems and the more frequent quad deuce mini jackpot gives you a better chance of hitting big.   When I was playing CS, quad deuces made up most of my profit.  I believe Odds will agree with my opinion. Before the Recreational Forum was created any mention of these systems would have started a fire storm of bickering and insults.  Hopefully, we have moved beyond that.  Recreational VP is about entertainment and that can involve any kind of play strategy you can think up.

[stevel96a1]

how do i work CS? i can sim it manually through win poker,is it measure in bankrolls or # of hands?or single coin followed by a win/loss?everything i throw at win poker nothing works on these 99% games unless i just sit down at a 10$ a hand table but thats beyond my limithowever if i played high limit from my starting VP id be wealthy assuming id quit when ahead, i gotten 4 royals extremely early in, now it seems i can't catch one, im sure everyone here knows how it sucks to be 1 single card off let it be hold 4 or 1

[FloridaPhil]

CS has different goals.  This was the thing that was missed by my critics.  The objective of CS is to allow a player on a budget to play more hands with the same money while retaining the possibility of a max coin jackpot.   It is a negative game system used for playing 98% or less VP games.    It is most commonly used by quarter players.  Some players use it at higher denominations. CS is simple.   You start out betting single coin deuces wild.  If you hit a 4 coin or higher win, you play max coins (5) on the next hand.  You continue at max coins until you lose a hand then go back to single coin play and repeat the process.   It's exciting because of the anticipation that occurs each time you hit the max coin button.  The major disadvantage is dealing with short coin royals.  You could do the same thing with max coin play, but you would be defeating the budget saving advantages. I don't play CS any more.   I used it as a test over a two year period.  I posted photos of all my jackpots on this forum and kept detailed records.  Over a two year period, I made a profit of about $1,700.   I posted over $17,000 worth of CS jackpot photos on this forum.  As you would expect, I had many critics.   I quit using CS for two reasons.  The biggest problem was comps.   Casinos do not like single coin players.  They will penalize you for playing single coin.   Your mailers will stop, your free play will stop and they will basically disown you as a customer.   Some say they won't, I know from personal experience they will.  Secondly, short coin royals are hard to swallow.   I learned to treat them as any other paying hand, but it's hard to look at a $62.50 royal when it could have been $1,000.I feel like my CS experience was worthwhile.  I played 5 times as many hands as the average player for the same money.  I saw lots of great jackpots and many more smaller ones.   Eventually you realize that VP is not a beatable game for most players and you play the way that gives you the most enjoyment.  Right now I play max coins at the same denomination 99% of the time. I switch games, but I do not change my bet.

[stevel96a1]

i ran another sim this time bonus poker 99.17 and that thing ate 4 1/2 bankrolls before spitting out 1 after 115k hands, is that what were really up against in vp?it really doesnt matter how i trigger my bets on  a 99% game it all comes down to the pay table? 

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=stevel96a1]it really doesnt matter how i trigger my bets on  a 99% game it all comes down to the pay table?[/quote]As you get nearer to 100%, the difference between winning and losing is basically up to chance.  A single royal one way or the other can push you in either direction.  Some players like to ignore this fact and believe the game owes them a win.  The game owes you nothing.  It's there to make money for the casino and if it doesn't it's pulled from the floor.I witnessed this first hand at the Tampa Hard Rock.  They had three $5 video poker machines sitting on the floor.  One of those machines was a quad deuce monster.  Playing $20 at a time,  I played $5 CS and hit back to back $1,000 single coin quad deuces three weeks in a row.   First they blocked the coin select button, which was the first time I ever saw that done.  No one played them, so they reactivated the button.  I hit two more and they removed the machines entirely.   Casinos know how much money these machines pay out.  If they pay out too much, out they go.

[stevel96a1]

i do  believe the martin gale could work on any game, after losing 4, 8, 12 etc eventually i will hit and gain a profit, problem is i don't have those types of funds.i even tried switching from 0.25 to 0.50 after a loss and the damn thing has a mind of its ownas if it remembers who i am