Chips

[FAA]

Okay, I will revise the review. I actually hit two max quads on these "ice boxes" yesterday. I even hit a BP quad Aces later, albeit $80 min. It was a good day.

[paco13]

'bout time you had a good one. Hope there's more.

[Carcounter]

Ok, I'll add my 2 cents to the AC situation, since I have been playing there since 1993, now almost 25 years. I started keeping records around 2000. Back then there were plentiful positive oppurtunities in AC and I took advantage of them. As I have said in previous posts, I saw and knew numerous AP's back then. 8 of the first 10 years I kept records were positive. Something did happen back around 2008-2009 when the recession hit and competition from PA, NY etc. heated up. Since then I no longer see the AP's that I used to. They are gone.Were to, I don't know, maybe Nevada. The newer server based games do seem to produce much longer cold streaks. The older games at the Borgata for instance still seem to perform as they always have and I still play them. $1.00 9/6 JOB and .25 9/6 JOB multi strikes. I also play a lot of 9/5 Super Double Bonus a 99.69% theo which is my favorite game, but is on a newer server based Game King. I can tell you that i continue to hit royals more frequently on the older non server based games and they don't seem to have the long cold streaks that I've had on SDB. However, my last session on SDB was the best non royal session I've ever had. Hit Aces, Kings, Queens twice and Jacks as well as two other non premium quads in 1 &1/2 hours. Couldn't believe what was happening. So my strategy now is to start on SDB, throw a couple of hundred at it and see what is happening. If it is cold, I move on to the 9/6 JOB's and multi strikes. I can't argue with people who think something has been off in AC for the last 10 years,although I personally have weathered the storm.

[FAA]

I assume that the B Bar contains those oldies but goodies. I may light out for there next week. Since I busted big on dollar JOB, I shunned it like plague.
Paco, I busted the very next day. -$210, 182 TC overall weekend is sobering.

[paco13]

Like the pit of your stomache feel as you begin the rapid decent. My car has jumped the rails and plummeted to its BR death.
Better luck to you FAA and to all.

[DaBurglar]

Carcounter made an excellent point concerning the "server based" games at the CET properties in AC, specifically that since converting to the servers nearly 4 years ago, the cold streaks/dead hand totals have greatly increased. In the case of the so-called older style games (at the Borgota, Golden Nugget, Resorts etc.) where each machine still has its own stand-alone chip and computer to process each game, it may seem that things are still "what they used to be", but I remain skeptical that such is the case with ALL of the old style games.

Let's focus on what we agree upon for the moment, the servers: These servers are extremely powerful and versatile, and capable of much that aids and benefits the casinos operationally. The servers allow each casino using them to "manage" their entire inventory of VP games from one location, and they can make changes very quickly, setting and re-setting games as they see fit. Anyone who has worked with servers knows the potential here....

AC casinos are given great latitude and freedom with which to meet the state's requirements each year for payback to the gaming customers, as well as what they owe the state each year (i.e. NJ's "take")....conceivably, using hypothetical numbers, if a NJ casino is required to return "85%" of total revenue back to gamblers, that casino can do this virtually anyway they want to and within the time frame they want so long as it meets the yearly threshold. So, this means a casino could have 9 or 10 months of giving virtually NOTHING back to gamblers while having 2 or 3 months whereby it seems EVERYONE wins! Granted it is not likely to be THAT extreme or stark, but the principle is clear and agrees with what myself, Jeter and NUMEROUS other people we know have seen (many of whom are or were 7*), that there are extended periods of time where virtually NOTHING is returned from VP games and almost NO one wins, interspersed with time where it seems the games are set in "pay" mode and almost everyone is winning ot "up"....naturally they "down or negative" periods greatly out number the "pay" periods. This has been going on consistently for at least four years.....

This is an extremely beneficial feature for the casino in that it allows them to effectively manage cash flow and make adjustments on the fly. Servers are a boon to casinos (especially large ones with multiple properties within a given market)....they are NOT good for us players, who now must try and divine whether things are in "pay" mode or "take" mode!

Good post Carcounter.

[Carcounter]

I don't know that the server based games are "rigged". They just seem off, sometimes in a good way, but more often than not, in a bad way. I recently posted about a quick 1&1/2 hr session on .50 SDB where I hit 7 quads, including Aces, Kings, Queens twice, Jacks and two other generic quads and walked out up $1,400. I have also lost $1,000 in an afternoon when I have hit no quads. Yesterday I had a half hour to play before meeting a friend for dinner and threw a benjamin in .50 SDB. Hit quad 7's and then 3's and walked away up $300.

[tech58]

Curious. What can the casino,thru the server, change that is unknown to the player? The pay table is visible on the machine, the random number generation is sacrosanct (sacred and legally unalterable to those of you in Rio Linde). What am i missing?

[Tedlark]

Nothing.

[advantage playe]

da burg is starting to get my attion.please don't shoot me bob d.