alterating the martin gale!

[Tedlark]

Phil why would you say that Martingale is a fun way to play video poker? Wouldn't this fly in the face of playing within your means (i.e. not playing big denominations), as you are so firmly against?

[stevel96a1]

Why is everyone saying like i am doubling up each bet? As if im going to meet my demise in 10-20 min at the roulette table? How many have you tried doubling bank rolls on ddb? How many have you won 2k hands or 4k hands right as soon as you sat down? If you truly tried double bank rolls and not bets on winpoker you maybe suprised how strong it stands. I could see if i was risking 600$ just to win a 5$ chip now thats crappy but i could easily pop 2k or more on series of 2.50 wagers

I probably shplould find a cap for it maybe id stop at the 25$a turn table. Have yet passed the 5$a turn table and still produce a postive outcome

[Vman96]

i know most of you play upwards of 5$ so why not?

We do? Pretty sure most of us don't.

[stevel96a1]

sure, everytime i check out the casinos i see 1 guy out of 20 pushin out 250$ a pop at the bj tables and same with video poker, well turns out my simulations carried on through the night and its very possible to lose 35k credits without ever getting ahead of the 4000 or more hit with that said, i thought about negative system and positive system, id think id be happier or less angry if i turned 100$ into 20k (ive done that before on simulation) oppose to being really mad losing 16k using the martin gale, so i think the parlay wins between the two unless someone introduces something better than flat betting im all ears...

[FloridaPhil]

Phil why would you say that Martingale is a fun way to play video poker? Wouldn't this fly in the face of playing within your means (i.e. not playing big denominations), as you are so firmly against?

That is a great question. Both CS and Martingale rely on betting small most of the time, then betting bigger when certain things happen. I am not an expert on Martingale, but my understanding is you increase your bet when you are losing. In CS, you increase your bet when you are winning.

I use CS to play big games small. Because the games I have to play are negative, I know I will lose big if I bet big consistently. With CS, my average bet is smaller than it would be if I bet max coins all the time. I also limit my risk. For example, if I am going to play a $5 game with CS, I only bet $20 at a time. How do I play a $5 video poker game with $20? I start out playing single coin and switch to max coins the hand after any 4 coin win. This allows me to use house money to play $25 a hand. The only risk to me is my original $20 bill. If you have a copy of Video Poker for Winners, you can test this betting strategy for free.

I am not claiming this is profitable long term. It's very exciting, especially to a quarter player when you have the chance at a huge jackpot without the risk. I have made money this way. Anything can happen on a max coin hand where a straight flush pays $225, a 5 of a kind pays $375 and a wild royal pays $625. I have yet to hit a quad deuce for $5,000 or a $20,000 royal this way, but I will be sure to tell you if I do.

I see nothing wrong with this strategy as long as you don't get sucked into thinking it will beat the casinos. It's pure entertainment based on luck. At $20 a time, who cares?

[FloridaPhil]

I honestly don't believe there is any way to intentionally beat video poker. Others may disagree.

VP math is valuable because using it allows you to play more hands with your money. My goal is to play longer with my money, so math is useful to me. Anything can happen in these games. When you win, your jackpot size is determined by how much you bet on that hand. A person who hits a $100,000 royal pays for it sooner or later. I prefer my jackpots small so the cost of hitting them is also small. If I get bored with small play, I use CS to get playing big out of my system. $20 is a small investment to tell me I should get back to playing quarters where I belong.

[stevel96a1]

someone once said the casinos fear the people who walts in with 2k and walk out with 20k

video poker is perfect opportunity for that, and with that i will try out the parlay on the scale of the tiny on a ddb game

[FloridaPhil]

Someone once said the casinos fear the people who walts in with 2k and walk out with 20k

I don't believe the casinos fear anyone. If you walk into a casino tomorrow and hit a $20K royal would you be a lifetime winner? If so, I would bet you won't stay that way because you will most likely go back the following week to feed it back into the machines. The casinos know that all too well. In fact, they are counting on it.

[case]

If casinos fear no one how come they ban some players?

[FloridaPhil]

If casinos fear no one how come they ban some players?

That is an excellent question. I don't know, do you? If I owned a casino and an AP was living a nice lifestyle off my machines, I would consider it. I guess that depends on what a "nice lifestyle" is. Is it $50K, $100K, $500K a year or more? The bigger the number is the bigger your risk of getting banned. Sooner or later not getting banned would be harder than playing the game.

If there was some benefit to the casino for allowing a player to live a nice lifestyle off of them, I could see it. What benefit could that be? Casinos spend millions of dollars a year on marketing. A few hundred thousand to fill the casino with players who believe they can beat them would be nothing.