Another bad Dream Card hold

[pokerpokerpoker]

DB, the 3 starting hands that the machine is selecting from are "behind the scenes". You won't/don't see them on the screen.

IMO, "old" DC is volatile enough on its' own - this new version, much more so. And in the case of some games, like 9/5 DDB, the return % actually goes DOWN.

[DaBurglar]

DB, the 3 starting hands that the machine is selecting from are "behind the scenes". You won't/don't see them on the screen.

IMO, "old" DC is volatile enough on its' own - this new version, much more so. And in the case of some games, like 9/5 DDB, the return % actually goes DOWN.

Oh ok.....wow that's really kinda "STOOPID" if you ask me....plus, they should state that this is happening "behind the scenes" as you put it....what's the entertainment value in doing it THE current "hidden" way?!?!?!?!? Are they (the Gaming company behind this latest version) trying to tell us that the programming required to make this feature visible (and thus add to the game's excitement) was just "too involved/too complex/too much" for them to put it out in the open & visible for the player to see and enjoy? Gahhhhh....!

I want to SEE IT! I'm not taking the word of the computer (and more important, the word of the casino operators and/or the game's creator) that this is in fact taking place and that the correct decision(s) are being made!!!

Forget it.....I'll play this game on this website of course (because I do trust Webman!) But I will never, EVER EVER EVER EVER play this (again) for real anywhere at anytime for any amount!

Then again, with only some specific, rare and/or infrequent exceptions from now on, I've pretty much given up any and all Gambling for real anyhow, so this is no huge pronouncement on my part. But this game especially, with its 10 credit per line per deal requirement, and it's new lower percentage of dreamcard activation frequency in order to get this "invisible" feature/benefit is particularly annoying!

I'll try and detail in a new separate thread my lastest 4 day sojourn (Friday July 27 thru Monday July 30) down to Southern New Jersey (Cape May primarily) that did indeed involve a very short, limited session of Video Poker in Atlantic City (about 4-5 hours TOTAL! )

[Webman]

DaBurglar,

Considering you are the resident conspiracy theorist here, insisting there are server-based hot and cold switches in games ( "pay" mode or "take" mode as you called them) and that they are easily open to manipulation by casinos, I don't think you are the target of this (or any) new game. I'm actually surprised to hear you have been playing lately.

I'm curious what could be done for you to trust ANY game that should come out. Is there anything that would make you confident in a machine-based game?

[Tedlark]

There is a rumor going around "behind the scenes" between several members via PMs, wondering if DaBurglar is writing the foreword to Phil's book. I can neither confirm nor deny this rumor.

[DaBurglar]

DaBurglar,

Considering you are the resident conspiracy theorist here, insisting there are server-based hot and cold switches in games ( "pay" mode or "take" mode as you called them) and that they are easily open to manipulation by casinos, I don't think you are the target of this (or any) new game. I'm actually surprised to hear you have been playing lately.

I'm curious what could be done for you to trust ANY game that should come out. Is there anything that would make you confident in a machine-based game?

I am not a conspiracy theorist, I only have voiced my own personal opinions and observations (based on my 9 years experience) on ATLANTIC CITY video poker and what I think might be going on....other than this one single topic (AC video poker and related sub-issues of management and gaming oversight), I am not a floater of any other "conspiracy theories"....I even believe Oswald acted alone! And, as I have stated earlier, I have no problem trusting the casinos and games and their oversight in Nevada (i.e. Vegas & Reno)

But getting back to the specific issue/topic at hand that has prompted this segue, this new version of Dreamcard, I stand by what I say in that this new aspect and feature of the game's Bonus (or more pertinently, the entire reason for playing this game in the first place) SHOULD BE visible and part of the game experience. I threw in that comment about "trust" with respect to which of the dealt hands gets selected for further play almost as a type of joke to emphasize this absurd omission on the part of the creators. As far as me playing, I stated in my previous thread I only (today, just a little while ago before making my post above) actually played this game online on this website, and I had played it a little back in AC a week and a half ago (which, while I was playing it in AC @ Ocean and the Golden Nugget, was totally oblivious to the fact that the dreamcard bonus activation now features the alleged "best of three hands" stipulation....the games in Ocean Casino do a lousy job of advertising or explaining that this is actually happening or part of the process!)

That was by far my main point, that I think, when the new more infrequent dreamcard is activated, they should show the three hands being dealt and the game selecting the "best" of the three hands in which to insert the actual "DREAMCARD"....other games which feature a similar process of being dealt multiple hands and selecting the best to play are able to show the actual process, why not this one? And I am certain I am not alone in this opinion, preferring that this part of the game be displayed and viewed/witnessed! I highlighted and mentioned FIRST the "ENTERTAINMENT" value and aspect that is lost by NOT showing the hand selection from the 3 original hands!

Here's one more actual, real question I have: This new version has 3 play, 5 play and Ten play selections available.....does this mean that the 5 play has Five (5) original hands that are dealt and the best one is chosen when and if the dreamcard is selected??? How about the Ten handed version? You are betting 50 and 100 credits on these variations, as opposed to the 30 credits on the 3 handed version....it seems you should be given additional hands accordingly, does it not??

[advantage playe]

hey de burg do u include borgota in your reference to atlantic city being suspect??

[DaBurglar]

hey de burg do u include borgota in your reference to atlantic city being suspect??

Generally NO, but mainly because I hardly ever play at Borgota.....given their sustained success and the fact they still use the older games, I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt up to, or until, I start receiving a dud rate over 65%.....

[damule]

I don't post much anymore, but this thread caught my eye. I had the same experience as DaBurglar when I first saw the newer version of Dreamcard on this site. I had to re-read the help screen like a dozen times before I realized there were "behind the scenes" hands. Fortunately for me, it was here and not for real money in the casino. I agree 100% with DaBurgar that the technology can easily allow visibility of the "behind the scenes" starting hands and even a feature for you to turn off the visibility if you want to play faster. Additionally to visibility of the behind the scenes hands you should have the option of selecting which hand you'd prefer to start with as in Superhand Poker. The game, as it suggests the supposed best "Dreamcard" can also suggest the best starting hand but still giving the player the power to change it. Obviously as with the earlier examples in this thread, the game is weak at selecting the best Dreamcard, how can it be trusted to select the best starting hand. For all I know the game is throwing away suited J-Q-K for a pair. I want that control. I'm not a huge fan of the original Video Poker with Dreamcard and I definitely am not a fan in any way of the new "Dreamcard". IGT and Videopoker.com can do better than this.

[Webman]

There are some good thoughts here of course. I'm sure the intent was not for people to notice the down-side of the game (lower bonus frequency) without the up-side (better hands). That info is indeed contained within the HELP menu but if you are playing the game without knowing it's a new game, then most people would probably not look there.

Feedback is always appreciated. Please share your thoughts on the new game in the topic dedicated to it:
https://www.videopoker.com/forum/viewto ... f=3&t=9806

[damule]

Sorry Webman, but I'm adding to my earlier thoughts on this game in this thread. I've been watching my starting hands playing this game on this site keeping in mind that each starting hand I begin with is the best of 3 "behind the scenes" hands. Until this game is modified to the point where I can see the 3 hands that the best hand is chosen from I don't trust it. I'm getting starting hands with no pairs, no inside straight holds, nothing. I find it hard to believe we're getting better starting hands than typical video poker. I've played hundreds of hands of this game tonight and only a handful of times have I started with trips, mostly aided by the dreamcard. For this game to have any real popular success in the casinos, it'll need to be transparent. Unless, of course the purpose of this game is to sham players into playing it thinking it's the original Video Poker with Dreamcard. Jury is decided as far as I'm concerned, this game is all thumbs down and gets thrown to the lions!