Should You Play VP Bigger?

[Waiting4RF]

Phil,

6 hours X $10 per hour = $60 loss

[billryan]

Why do you think VP experts don't talk about playing negative games? I think it's because they would be forced to say the best way to play them is to limit your coin in. This wouldn't sit well with the casinos. The casinos want players to think VP is beatable, it's good for business. They love those get rich VP books. They love hearing how people live great lifestyles from gambling. The entire industry pays their bills with loser money. As one of the losers, I want to cut the amount I give them and I want to hear how others do as well.

As for your comment about me being a degenerate. I went to the casino yesterday. I played single coin 50 cent deuces wild for 6 hours. I never hit a royal or a quad deuce. It cost me $50 bucks to tie up a machine all day. For $10 dollars an hour, I got my money's worth. How much did you lose the last time you played?

I'm not a VP AP by any means. There are just so many better plays to be had but why would APs talk about games they simply don't play. They certainly don't drive six hours round trip to pay the casino $10 for the right to sit there.
What you lost last session is meaningless. What you won or lost so far this year is far more important.
At $60 a week, what did you lose over the last three years? Math says you dropped close to ten thousand dollars. Not to mention gas back and forth as well as losing hundreds of hours traveling just to hand over your money, and yet you wear your losses like a badge of honor.
Would you want your daughter to marry someone who did this?

[billryan]

Phil,

6 hours X $10 per hour = $60 loss

Math only applies to "APs". Certainly not to voodoomiesters.

[Tedlark]

Phil you keep talking of playing single coin and the satisfaction it brings you. Here's a simple comparison question for you. Because you have said that you are an Entertainment Player (EP for short) and as such, math and pay tables do not matter to you: if you had the choice of playing single coin .25 denomination or max coin .05 denomination, which would you play and why?

When calculating your answer, please remember that you are an EP.

[billryan]

Entertainment Daily Player. EDP for short.

[markinca]

Daily Entertainment Recreational Player, or DERP.

[FloridaPhil]

Phil you keep talking of playing single coin and the satisfaction it brings you. Here's a simple comparison question for you. Because you have said that you are an Entertainment Player (EP for short) and as such, math and pay tables do not matter to you: if you had the choice of playing single coin .25 denomination or max coin .05 denomination, which would you play and why?

These are great questions. Thank you Ted. Your posts are always very classy and you ask helpful questions. I enjoy answering them.

When I say math doesn't matter to me, it doesn't mean I don't use it to my advantage. It means I don't count on it to produce results when I play.

To me, the difference between max coin nickle VP and single coin quarter VP comes down to the odds. Usually, single coin quarters is the better game. I'll give you an example. At Hard Rock Tampa the fifty cent Deuces Wild game odds are nearly 2% better than the quarter odds. My VPW software tells me it is better at that casino to play single coin fifty cents than max coin quarters. Playing single coin is not the best choice for everyone because you have to live with short coin royals, something that does not bother me. When I play video poker, I want to play as many hands as possible in a day as cheap as possible. Making a profit is not my entire motive. If it happens, that's good. If it doesn't, as long as the cost to play is in line with my other entertainment choices, I'm fine with what the casino offers.

The issue we have on this forum is that everyone is in their own video poker bubble. They see the game as they see it and fail to recognize that other's don't see it the same. I don't think of the casino as a place to make money. I see it as an entertaining place to visit. I meet my friends. I may have a nice lunch. I listen to the music and I enjoy the games. I don't have any financial pressure on me because I play so small my cost to play doesn't matter. It costs me $8 a month to play VP on this website. It costs me about $10 an hour to play VP at a casino. The experience of playing at the casino is worth the extra money.

I came into this attitude over a long and painful personal fight. I tried everything I knew to make money playing VP and I failed. I flew to Vegas and Reno and found the results about the same. Everywhere I played, the bigger I bet the more I lost. I tried every strategy you could think of and some you probably haven't. The only thing that worked for me was limiting my losses by playing cheap.

How I came into this idea was interesting. One day I was playing at a casino and I was really depressed. I had been losing for weeks and was considering giving up the game. The guy next to me was about my age. While I was shoving one $100 bill into the game after another, the guy next to me hit a jackpot. I looked over and he had hit quad aces with a kicker. I also noticed he was playing single coin quarters. I turned and told him it was too bad he wasn't playing max coins. He smiled and said "It's all the same game." I went home that day down $600 bucks. At that point I was down over $10K for the year. I thought about what he said and I asked myself why I was playing the game? I didn't need more money. All I was doing was playing to get away from the office for a day. The music was the same. The game is the same. The drinks were the same. The only difference was the cost.

I don't expect everyone on this forum to ever get what I am talking about. All I can tell you is that I enjoy VP more now than I ever did. It costs me practically nothing to play and I smile a lot more. I don't always play single coin quarters. If I get significantly ahead and I occasionally do, I will take a $20 pot shot once in awhile. If anything good happens, I keep the money. It all works for me and that's what matters.

I will play max coins if the casino offers me something worth the extra cost. I do if the casino gives me a comped room on vacation.

[FAA]

It's much easier for you to decelerate to single coin after hitting dozens of jackpots. You've been to the mountain top. I just want that view once. Still climbing the steep slope.

[FloridaPhil]

It's much easier for you to decelerate to single coin after hitting dozens of jackpots. You've been to the mountain top. I just want that view once. Still climbing the steep slope.

When you are playing max coins, don't ever switch to single coin to avoid running out of money. I guarantee you will hit the hand you were looking for before you switched. If you are going to play single coin, start out that way and stay there until you recover.

[billryan]

It's much easier for you to decelerate to single coin after hitting dozens of jackpots. You've been to the mountain top. I just want that view once. Still climbing the steep slope.

When you are playing max coins, don't ever switch to single coin to avoid running out of money. I guarantee you will hit the hand you were looking for before you switched. If you are going to play single coin, start out that way and stay there until you recover.

And people wonder why I refer to this bulletin as voodoo. Phil guarantees a specific result.