Can You Keep From Losing?

[FloridaPhil]

Here are a couple of other thoughts you should ponder. There is no "guarantee" playing any video poker game will make you a profit. A computer simulation is not a human being. Few humans can play VP 100% computer perfect forever. Few humans have the discipline to stick with a plan when things go very bad. Few humans have the physical stamina to sit in a dark smoky casino wearing their fingers to the bone waiting for a royal flush. If you have access to positive games, why wouldn't you play them? If there are two doors in front of you both leading to the same place, one costs money to enter and one pays money, which one would you choose?

If you determine your only choices are to play negative machines, you can choose not to play them. No one is going to call you names for leaving the casino. If you decide to play them, before you sit down know that in time the machine is going to cost you money to play. You have the power to adjust that cost to your personal liking. Whatever you pay to play those games, get your money's worth. That is all I am saying and I can't imagine anyone being against that. Hope springs eternal...

[olds442jetaway]

Two quick reminders......One is mine and one is Phil's.....Phil's is In Video Poker, anything can and will happen. Mine is....Short term results can be more than one's lifetime. Long term results approach infinity.

The rest is kind of from both of us. Play to have fun. Know the math rules and strategy in and out, but still play the way you feel comfortable with. Don't play with any money that you can't afford to lose. If losing that money makes you change your lifestyle, you are much better off not playing at all.

[billryan]

I really don't get this.
Do people come to this forum to learn or just to sprout nonsense. How anyone can be a member, read others posts yet still repeat such as long term results approach infinity.

[FloridaPhil]

I really don't get this.

See if you get this. We don't need the strategy police on the Recreational forum. We are fully aware that playing negative games costs money long term. We can't do anything about that. The only thing we can do is decide how much we want to pay to play. If you would stay on the Strategy Form where positive game strategy is discussed, we would never have a problem. If you are lonely over there, I can send you a post card.

[billryan]

No , you choose to play negative games. No one forces you.
None of that excuses sprouting nonsense like "long term results approach infinity."
Unless you think the laws of mathematics don't apply here.

[FloridaPhil]

No one on this forum cares but you. Players come to the Recreational Forum because they wish to converse with other Recreational Players. I think it's a good idea for them to know there is a cost to play these games. I also think it's a good idea to discuss ways to reduce that cost. Why are you on this forum?

[billryan]

The funny thing is webman gave Phil this forum to talk all the nonsense he wanted and no one cared what was said here. But Phil couldn't help himself and kept talking nonsense in the other forums. Finally, Webman figured what was good for one was good for all and no longer quarantined knowledgeable players for responding to his garbage.

[markinca]

Mark do you live in the east coast? do you have access to positive video poker games? it just seems like everyone talks down to anyone who doesn't have the option to play a positive game. even a crummy 100.17 won't deliver much damage especially oppose to a 96% game to ones bankroll, i played my first positive full fledge game and it makes retire from atlantic city crappy video poker games, even though 3 days or 1 session can not determine ones fate in video poker but man you feel it with the non short pay tables, i played alot of different video poker games and playing each one on average 10min i know the pattern of my session bankroll can endure and what short pay on jacks or better means. so all sums it up play a positive game or expect to lose. theres no way around that pay table it is the mouth of God

I don't care who plays what games. Play the worst paytables in the world, I don't care.

The issue is with Phil constantly flaunting his ignorance and spreading misinformation. It's almost as though he seems he's proud of it. Based on his insane ramblings, I'm pretty sure that he thinks 'AP Strategy' is just pulling up a chair to any VP machine and just max-coining it for hours on end. This couldn't be further from the truth, and yet he continues to do this.

He keeps spouting nonsensical things like 'AP Strategy on these 8/5 DDB machines don't work'. This sentence is literal nonsense - an AP would probably get nowhere near an 8/5 DDB machine in the first place. There's no such thing as 'AP Strategy' on a 8/5 DDB machine (unless there is some ridiculously good drawing/comp/etc involved at the time).

This is supposed to be the rec forum. Yet for some reason Phil keeps bringing up how 'AP Strategy doesn't work'. Yes, it does. He's just too dense to understand that the games he plays doesn't apply.

He's been told this exact same thing by numerous people numerous times, but it doesn't matter. He never actually reads it. Or if he does read it, he certainly doesn't understand it.

[FloridaPhil]

I don't have a problem with other members disagreeing with any statements made on this forum. What I object to is members who use words like "nonsense", "ignorance", "misinformation, "unintelligent" and "voodoo" to describe the thoughts of others. There is only one reason to do this, to make yourself seem more knowledgeable by demeaning the opinions of others. If you disagree, say so without using insulting language.

There are many statements made on these forums that I do not agree with. It's a pretty long list. I won't bother to go over them all again. There was a time when I fought those battles. It was a waste of time as I am not going to change any minds and no one is going to change mine. I finally decided to stay on the Recreational Forum with the hope things would quiet down. Unfortunately, the same old antagonists followed me here.

What is that bothers you about how someone else plays VP with their own money? Who cares if someone wants to play single coin quarters so they can play all day for $50 bucks? Do you want me to keep it to myself if I hit a max coin royal playing CS? I don't care what APs do to make money. If they want to stand on their heads in the middle of the Las Vegas Strip naked, it's fine with me. You shouldn't care either unless you want to be one. If you do, you are wasting your time on this forum. Go out and make some money. If you are so convinced their strategy will make you rich, why do you want to sit on this forum arguing with a bunch of losers like us?

I've tried everything I can think of to satisfy you. I've created post signatures stating I play VP for Recreation and my opinions differ from yours. I've said I agree with positive game strategy on positive games so many times I only have to copy and paste it now. If you want me to bow down to some professional VP player and admit he's got life by the gonads, I won't because I don't think he does.

Just tell us what you want or leave us alone.

[stevel96a1]

where exactly does Phil post "you can beat a negative game" at? he even said the lady next to him was not making a smart move by playing ddb going from 5 coin to single coin, he could have explained her her future and outcome of what she was doing, i would love to switch pay tables with you and Phil, and see what the year after results are in gambling, from all i read Phil explains his method of keeping a low cost down in gambling and im sure he knows you can not beat a negative game (unless you have unlimited funds and they don't have table limits but thats not video poker is it?) so no you can not over come that negative pay table any one who picked up a creditable video poker book knows that.

mean while just because im playing a positive game doesn't make it a positive out come, very similar to purchase same brand t shirt for cheaper price but im not wearing it correctly what good is it then?
same with positive poker games you need to learn the correct out come of every hand which cards favor the more frequent hand but i digress i personally rather play a positive game with a not so bad strategy then 9/6 jacks with knowing the strategy better but thats just me

oh and a side my wife always ask me what game can you covert 50$ bill into ten 100$ bills? i said blackjack but thats not a fair fight because table min bet is 15$ a pop with good rules so your destiny is to lose frequent that 50$ bill oppose to a FPDW have a greater chance to come out ahead all because unbalance table min bets