Can You Keep From Losing?

[billryan]

My comps at Harrah's Joliet, IL this weekend include: Saturday - $100.00 comp at their steakhouse and a pair of Ray-ban Aviator sunglasses, and; Sunday - $75.00 Macy's gift card and $75.00 in freeplay. I probably won't play at all but I might stop by for these.

But what about the "odds"?

[billryan]

My comps at Harrah's Joliet, IL this weekend include: Saturday - $100.00 comp at their steakhouse and a pair of Ray-ban Aviator sunglasses, and; Sunday - $75.00 Macy's gift card and $75.00 in freeplay. I probably won't play at all but I might stop by for these.

But what about the "odds"?
Don't you realize had you played single line nickels one coin at a time you could have bought your own cow and carved up a steak whenever you want.
Are you aware that you might go the rest of your life and never hit another Royal?

[FloridaPhil]

My comps at Harrah's Joliet, IL this weekend include: Saturday - $100.00 comp at their steakhouse and a pair of Ray-ban Aviator sunglasses, and; Sunday - $75.00 Macy's gift card and $75.00 in freeplay. I probably won't play at all but I might stop by for these.

I played VP last Thursday. The game I played was 7/5 Bonus Poker. It is the best quarter game in that casino. I hit quad aces 3 times and switched to dollar play for about an hour. I hit 4 aces for $400 right after that. I could have hit a $4,000 royal. I checked my account and my dollar play boosted by points and free play which I will use next week. Of course comps have value. I never said they didn't. If you are not going to get a player's card, you won't get comps no matter what the odds are.

I have no idea where you guys get the idea that I am against playing smart. I said I agree with most everything you do. All I said was playing 96% games is a huge loser and if you are going to play those games playing them slowly with single coin quarters will save you money. I think you are going out of your way to find things in my posts you can criticize. Save yourself the trouble and talk about something else for a change.

[FloridaPhil]

Before anyone else goes nuts, I rarely play dollar VP. I always start out with max coin quarters. If things go well, I may choose to up my play. I never do this unless I have locked up the money I brought into the casino. I also never play single coin any more. Playing max coin 98% games are OK with me as long as the casino lets me stay in the resort for free or they are going to give me something I value. If I was stuck on a cruise ship or if I had the urge to play DDB all day and 96% was the only game in town, I would play single coin quarters to hold down my losses.

When you play positive games, they tell me you shouldn't do these things. I don't know because I never have a chance to play them. If I played a 96% game like I have an advantage, I know from experience what will happen. If I ever play 8/5 DDB, I do it with one $20 bill to get it out of my system. Usually that's enough to clear that stupid idea out of my head.

[Vman96]

I have no idea where you guys get the idea that I am against playing smart. I said I agree with most everything you do. All I said was playing 96% games is a huge loser and if you are going to play those games playing them slowly with single coin quarters will save you money. I think you are going out of your way to find things in my posts you can criticize. Save yourself the trouble and talk about something else for a change.

When I read the forum, the majority of criticism you receive is when you state things that are misleading to others, which you do sometimes, imo. I mostly have given up on pointing them all out because it hasn't really changed your posting behavior to this point, and also other members will do it for me too. I assume this cyclical discussion between you and those that disagree with you has driven away some posters (or people that would become posters) perhaps because after awhile people get tired of discussing similar points. At other forums I post at, the most "mathy" one, Wizard of Vegas, VP is rarely discussed. The posters are in general agreement on how the game works. They argue for and against Donald Trump all day instead, right billryan?

[FloridaPhil]

When I read the forum, the majority of criticism you receive is when you state things that are misleading to others, which you do sometimes, imo.

Often someone will read what I post and make wrong assumptions about what I say without reading it in the context of the post. For example, this post was intended to discuss the part losing plays in VP and if you can prevent it. I want players to know losing most of the time is perfectly normal. That's why you need a bankroll. Somehow the members who are against every post I make morphed it into me saying negative games are profitable or comps don't have value.

When I see a post from Bill Ryan on this forum, he is always knocking someone else. He never offers anything worthwhile to the players on the Recreational Forum. I take that back. I did learn you can have your dog groomed with comps in Vegas. I can see no other reason he posts here. "Bob Dancer" used to throw insults at anyone who disagreed with him too. I guess he has Billy doing his dirty work these days.

There was a time when I would engage them in these arguments. Sometimes they would go on for days. I got so angry once, I said what I really thought and was banned for a week. They banned Billy shortly thereafter. All these arguments do is tie up the forum with useless bantering. I try to keep insults out of my posts. Some members like Ted have followed suit. It takes class to argue a point without using derogatory words. I guess Billy didn't get the memo or he has no class? I would like to believe I'm wrong.

What we have is a difference of opinion about a game. It's not like we are arguing something all that important.

[billryan]

I have no idea where you guys get the idea that I am against playing smart. I said I agree with most everything you do. All I said was playing 96% games is a huge loser and if you are going to play those games playing them slowly with single coin quarters will save you money. I think you are going out of your way to find things in my posts you can criticize. Save yourself the trouble and talk about something else for a change.

When I read the forum, the majority of criticism you receive is when you state things that are misleading to others, which you do sometimes, imo. I mostly have given up on pointing them all out because it hasn't really changed your posting behavior to this point, and also other members will do it for me too. I assume this cyclical discussion between you and those that disagree with you has driven away some posters (or people that would become posters) perhaps because after awhile people get tired of discussing similar points. At other forums I post at, the most "mathy" one, Wizard of Vegas, VP is rarely discussed. The posters are in general agreement on how the game works. They argue for and against Donald Trump all day instead, right billryan?

People there don't constantly post bad information, with Nathan being the exception. I suspect VP isn't discussed because outside of promos and mailings, because there isn't much to say.
We get plenty of newbies that misunderstand math or who invented a new system. Many stay after realizing how little they know.
Many members associate with each other so any decent finds are discussed privately. I live pretty far east in the valley, so I occasionally get inside info from someone who lives forty miles northwest and to whom the play isn't worth the trip. The opposite is also true.

[billryan]

I have no idea where you guys get the idea that I am against playing smart. I said I agree with most everything you do. All I said was playing 96% games is a huge loser and if you are going to play those games playing them slowly with single coin quarters will save you money. I think you are going out of your way to find things in my posts you can criticize. Save yourself the trouble and talk about something else for a change.

When I read the forum, the majority of criticism you receive is when you state things that are misleading to others, which you do sometimes, imo. I mostly have given up on pointing them all out because it hasn't really changed your posting behavior to this point, and also other members will do it for me too. I assume this cyclical discussion between you and those that disagree with you has driven away some posters (or people that would become posters) perhaps because after awhile people get tired of discussing similar points. At other forums I post at, the most "mathy" one, Wizard of Vegas, VP is rarely discussed. The posters are in general agreement on how the game works. They argue for and against Donald Trump all day instead, right billryan?

People there don't constantly post bad information, with Nathan being the exception. I suspect VP isn't discussed because outside of promos and mailings, there isn't much to say.
We get plenty of newbies that misunderstand math or who invented a new system. Many stay after realizing how little they know.
Many members associate with each other so any decent finds are discussed privately. I live pretty far east in the valley, so I occasionally get inside info from someone who lives forty miles northwest and to whom the play isn't worth the trip. The opposite is also true.

[FloridaPhil]

We get plenty of newbies that misunderstand math or who invented a new system. Many stay after realizing how little they know.

That is the point of having two separate forums. Members should be able to post what's on their minds without someone calling them stupid or VooDoo. When you make someone angry they don't listen, they just fight back. How is anyone going to learn anything if they are afraid to post? Let them post what they want. Let's discuss their thoughts without the name calling or belittlement. Someone might actually learn something other than we are a bunch of A holes.

[markinca]

That is the point of having two separate forums. Members should be able to post what's on their minds without someone calling them stupid or VooDoo.

Seriously Phil, when will you get it? NO ONE IS TELLING YOU OR ANYONE ELSE HOW TO PLAY. The only thing most posters (including me) have a beef with is when you say 'AP Strategy tells you to do <so and so>' or 'Dancer says to do <so and so>', when the things you say are simply NOT TRUE.

If this truly is a rec forum, STOP TELLING PEOPLE WHAT AP'S DO AND WHAT AP STRATEGY IS. Because you clearly have no idea and are just spreading misinformation. STOP IT.