A strange thing happened at Four Winds today

[FloridaPhil]

With the possible exception of poor machine maintenance which could cause player errors, none of these actions meet my definition of "rigging".

I suppose that depends on your definition of rigging. I think rigging is doing anything outside the odds to affect the results of the game in the casinos favor.

[billryan]

Would having shills advocate people play in a manner that greatly increases the house edge be considered rigging?

[FloridaPhil]

Would having shills advocate people play in a manner that greatly increases the house edge be considered rigging?

I guess it would. Would having fake APs claiming they win all the time be any better or worse?

[onemoretry]

[ I think rigging is doing anything outside the odds to affect the results of the game in the casinos favor.

I think I'll have to disagree with this. To me, "rigging" has to involve subterfuge, so that the player is unaware of what's going on, and that they are being cheated.

[FloridaPhil]

I think I'll have to disagree with this. To me, "rigging" has to involve subterfuge, so that the player is unaware of what's going on, and that they are being cheated.

I personally don't think any casino is tapering with the software or the innards of the machine. Too risky if they are caught. I have seen examples of poor maintenance that would definitely increase the house edge or good machines placed in hard to play locations. It's hard to believe those actions were taken without a purpose.

[Tedlark]

So Phil can you please remind us what you were chalking up your alleged visions of the same cards reappearing on you after you discarded them on your relatively recent visit to Atlantic City?

Poor maintenance?

[DaBurglar]

At this point she looked at me and said: "Everybody knows these machines are rigged."

I was tempted to ask her if she was a Harvard grad and if she played in Atlantic City but I didn't.

I ended up cashing out up $200.00 about 5 minutes later and left. Up $300.00 fir the ultraquick session including what I won on the slot.

For quite a while now, I have not been online here @ the forum anywhere near what I previously had been .... I've also stopped playing VP (in AC that is) with only one exception thus far since the end of last year (2017). I've found better things to do, for me that is.....but I still check in once in a while just to stay current and catch up with the handful of posters here who I consider good friends.

I thus, find it both amusing and ridiculous to read stuff like this latest turd from Ted.....even after all this time, with my diminished presence and activity, he still is obsessed with me and making sure that (for whatever bizarre reason) we all know that I am on his mind.

It's not that I mind being the butt of a clever, funny or good natured "putdown" (which of course, this is NOT)....but here again we have an intentional distortion (or possibly just an example of sheer mental laziness). My comments over the last 8+ years about AC and its various manifestations of Video Poker and how it conducts business with them are far far more nuanced and involved than just this crapola statement "It's rigged".....seriously Mr. Lark you need therapy, or something else to occupy your "mind" besides video poker.

You've logged over 4+ million hands on this site, plus you apparently visit various casinos within driving distance several times a month (that we know of based on your reports & posts here.) That's pretty excessive. I'm amazed that I personally find a place in your thought patterns even with your obsessive/compulsive behavior vis-a-vis.....ME.

[FloridaPhil]

So Phil can you please remind us what you were chalking up your alleged visions of the same cards reappearing on you after you discarded them on your relatively recent visit to Atlantic City?

Poor maintenance?

Definitely. I am not the only player to report problems with the VP buttons in AC. The VP machines at the Borgata when we played there last spring were a mess. You never knew when they worked. The odds in the games were better than the odds that the hand you wanted to play was what you actually got. I hated the entire place the whole time we were there. From the broken windows in the hotel to the big cracks in the floor, AC is a dump. You guys must be so used to it that you don't see what a visitor sees.

[DaBurglar]

I hated the entire place the whole time we were there. From the broken windows in the hotel to the big cracks in the floor, AC is a dump. You guys must be so used to it that you don't see what a visitor sees.

Well said Phil, and spot on true.....it's the equivalent of being "nose blind" to the smelly aspects of your own home (like your dog needing a bath or a visit to the doggie dentist.....anyone who visits notices such a thing immediately but you, out of sheer familiarity, become oblivious.)

But of course, in AC's case (not just the Borgota but ALL AC establishments) the fact that for the past decade Atlantic City has basically survived on wisps of hope and gasps of delusional nostalgia regarding the good ol' days when AC had a virtual monopoly on any and all gambling east of the Mississippi, makes proper maintenance of games all the more vital, not to mention just having a nice clean presentable place of gambling!

Can you imagine, or wonder, what exactly the logic or thought process is (with respect to maintenance and upkeep of the various casinos in AC) on the part of AC casino executives since 2006, the year when the monopoly essentially vanished and competition became a reality .....? I'd focus specifically on the Former "TRUMP" properties and other places like the defunct AC Club Casino (aka AC Hilton) or Resorts and of course Borgota. As a allegedly competent and intelligent casino executive earning a ridiculously overpaid salary that includes a "bonus" that is drawn in part from keeping operational expenditures at the absolute bare minimum, Surely you know your casino must have a minimum of cleanliness and order, and surely you must know not only the business requirement of having functional games but also the LEGAL requirements vis-a-vis NJ Casino Gaming Regs!!

So how does it come to pass, on any given day, week or month of the year, a player/customer can enter an AC casino and be subject to dirty, dysfunctional, disorderly games and unattractive (even unsafe) hotel accommodations??? How do you repeatedly rationalize in your mind, and to your staff & underlings the concept of NOT fixing ALL your Slots and VP machine buttons, of NOT keeping the casino and hotel fresh, clean and attractive, of NOT upkeeping and repairing the elevators in all of your hotel and casino wings & towers.....? This while simultaneously collecting a monthly, quarterly and/or yearly "bonus" or some other erstwhile form of compensation, on the money you DID NOT spend to make your establishment, better, more entertaining and safer (or in other words, making your establishment as a whole "better, more economically viable, and more likely to survive in the long run and staying profitable..."....or in OTHER-other words, doing your JOB as a casino executive for which you earn your base salary and for which your position exists in the first place??)

Overpaid, wasteful, oblivious, callous stuffed shirts who probably achieved their positions and job titles via the simple time tested way of just kissing the right arse, simply showing up everyday and simply NOT causing any headaches for the guy above them who would ultimately and eventually put them into the next overpaid position!

[Tedlark]

Yes, it's true. I've logged over 4 million hands played on this site and I occasionally visit casinos that are within driving distance of my house when I am in the mood.

Thank you for pointing that out Captain Obvious. DaBurglar I believe that with one more keen observation made by you, you will be promoted to Major Obvious. And you can then thusly reap all the benefits that come with the office. Other Captain Obvious's across the universe will salute you and obviously be green with envy.

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