Odds Difference

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FloridaPhil
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Re: Odds Difference

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BobDancer wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:08 am
But, FP, you've stated here more than once that you're not interested in finding out exactly what promotions are in effect at each casino you visit. That's where the profitable opportunities exist. And you've made a business decision that no promotion is worth checking into --- and sure enough, you can't find good promotions.
Bob, thanks for the response. You are partially correct. I don't check every last casino promotion. If I did, I could probably come up with an occasional opportunity better than I have now. For me, it's more a matter of priority and motivation than a lack of intelligence or discipline.

I have been playing video poker for about 12 years. I probably have played a minimum of 2 million hands. Based on that play, I do not believe there is any strategy that will guarantee to beat the casinos where I play. I realize you and others disagree. Unless you believe this is possible, you will not be motivated to change what you are doing. What motivates us is the enjoyment of the casino visit itself. This is why the venue is so important. What happens to our wallets is secondary as long as the experience is worth the cost.

Of course we want to win and we do on occasion. My first communication with you was an email I sent to you after winning $14,000 in one day. I still remember your response. You said, "Call me in 10 years and tell me how you are doing.". Well, it's been 10 years and I want you to know we are doing well. We have enjoyed every minute of our VP play. We have traveled the country visiting beautiful casino resorts and most of them let us stay there on the house. We won some money and we lost some. Thanks to VP we have almost $30,000 in our VP bankrolls. That always amazes us. This money was not all won playing VP or in a drawing. We were motivated by VP to save the money so we could play the game without worry.

Playing quarters like we do, keeps the cost of playing VP comparable with other entertainment choices. Our friends take cruises, travel the world, or buy $500,000 RVs. We play video poker. To tell you the truth, it's been great and we are looking forward to more of the same.

I have no argument with your strategy for those who want to profit from VP at all cost. That's not why we play. We want the casino to welcome us. We want to be treated as valued customers. We want to stay on first class resorts for free. We don't want the experience of losing $10,000 or more in a week. I wouldn't play 200% VP in a ratty worn out dirty casino in New Jersey if my life depended upon it.

This forum should make room for players like us. This shouldn't be that hard to understand. There are millions of us and just a few that make a long term profit. Recreational players should be respected, not demeaned. If someone enjoys playing 8/5 DDB over 9/6 Jacks, who cares? As long as the 8/5 player knows the game is a long term loser and is willing to pay extra for the entertainment, where's the problem?

I applaud your math skills and your dedication to the game. I also congratulate you for having the guts to put your money behind your beliefs. All I am asking is for you to make room for players like us in your discussions and comments. I don't think that is too much to ask.

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You can also draw a pair, giving a different full house.

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billryan wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:57 am
You can also draw a pair, giving a different full house.
Very true, but in looking at it quickly, I ignored that possibility. So, to be more complete, I dragged out my trusty Winpoker programme to help me.

It says that the value of keeping the FH is 35 (no surprise there), while that of the three of a kind is 20.92. That value, of course, includes the possibility of getting a different FH on the draw.

The question then becomes how much value does the quad of the day bonus add to that 20.92. To my way of thinking, you have a sure $25 plus a one in five shot at $100, which I called a $20 value. But, of course, you get that only if you make the quad. Therefore the added value is $45 divided by 23.5, which is $1.91, or 7.66 credits. This makes the total value for drawing to the trips 28.58 versus the 35 for holding the FH.

Thats what makes sense to me, but I may have done something wrong there, in which case I'm sure someone will jump in and help out.

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FloridaPhil wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:12 am
This forum should make room for players like us. This shouldn't be that hard to understand.
You may find it hard to believe, but I think the vast majority of the folks contributing to this forum think and play quite a lot along the same lines as you do. But, we usually refrain from "taking shots" at people who play differently, or for a different purpose.

I don't understand why you would say they the forum should make room for "players like us". It already does.

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billryan wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:22 am
Was putzing around, waiting on my car to be ready, playing 7-5 Jacks with a $20 in free play when I hit a dealt full house ,sevens over fives.
Thing is four sevens was the card of the day. Getting it paid a $25 Bonus plus an entry in a raffle for $100 cash or a $50 bar tab. Bartender says it's usually about 20 people in the weekly raffle.
Break the FH or just soldier on?
I hate to be nit picky, but "7's over 5's" to me is just two pair. A full house would be "7's FULL OF 5's." πŸ˜‰

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He stated "a dealt full house," sevens over fives. In some circles that would be understood as 3 - 7's and 2 - 5's. In other circles a dealt full house would be understood as "7's full of 5's."

billryan said tomato and you said tomato.

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onemoretry wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:59 pm
I don't understand why you would say they the forum should make room for "players like us". It already does.
We are getting there. Perhaps we are learning to be more tolerant of people with alternative views on VP? At the least we can try to understand their viewpoint. Whatever the case, it's an improvement and it starts at the top.

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Tedlark wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:38 pm
He stated "a dealt full house," sevens over fives. In some circles that would be understood as 3 - 7's and 2 - 5's. In other circles a dealt full house would be understood as "7's full of 5's."

billryan said tomato and you said tomato.
I know, but one contradicts the other. I guess it's just my live poker background. Carry on. 😁

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FloridaPhil wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:29 am
onemoretry wrote: ↑
Wed Sep 12, 2018 12:59 pm
I don't understand why you would say they the forum should make room for "players like us". It already does.
We are getting there. Perhaps we are learning to be more tolerant of people with alternative views on VP? At the least we can try to understand their viewpoint. Whatever the case, it's an improvement and it starts at the top.
Why am I reminded of my favorite book on the Reagan administration. "The Scum also rises".
The only difference here is Phil managed to go five days without an inane thread. An amazing achievement. One worthy of salutation.

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billryan wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:29 pm
Why am I reminded of my favorite book on the Reagan administration. "The Scum also rises".The only difference here is Phil managed to go five days without an inane thread. An amazing achievement. One worthy of salutation.
I am working to purge this forum of negativity. Any help would be appreciated.

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