Duces

[olds442jetaway]

I would like to borrow a quote from ABC's Wide World of Sports from my youth for a moment. Recreational play is like the quote .....the thrill of victory and agony of defeat. So, you take that shot at 4 deuces. You know that by the end of a long session, you are going to be a loser if you don't hit that Royal or quad deuces at least once. You take that pot shot once in awhile and on and on. Holding that few bucks on one hand instead of going for the home run is a loser most of the time in an 8 hour or more session. You ARE going to give that small hand back by the end of the day, if you don't hit one of the big hands. If you are there just to make beer or gas money and quit, that may be a different story. But how many of us do that? If I lived 5 minutes from the casino, I might do just that, but most of us are there to make a nice score by the end of the day. I do enjoy as I recently posted many other things at the casino than winning money, but the bottom line is most of us are there to win money if possible not just to play and have fun.

[FloridaPhil]

I do enjoy as I recently posted many other things at the casino than winning money, but the bottom line is most of us are there to win money if possible not just to play and have fun.

Everyone who walks into a casino wants to win money. Obviously people do or they wouldn't go back. Some people believe they can be long term winners through all manner of strategies like walking out a winner, using mathematics, denomination switching, playing hunches or just because they are luckier than most. Math based strategies work if you have the right opportunities, discipline and the ability to act on them. Anyone who does this will tell you it's not an easy thing to accomplish.

Most players don't consider the odds of long term VP profit, they play how it feels good. Some of us have taken inventory of our opportunities, skills and discipline and determined we do not have or can not do what it takes to profit long term. We enjoy playing the game and we love an occasional jackpot as much as anyone. We do not believe we are going profit long term.

Once you draw this conclusion you realize Video Poker is the same game at all denominations, only the cost to play it changes. My choice is to enjoy playing the game with quarters and lose a few thousand dollars a year or play bigger and possibly suffer a $50,000 annual loss. If the casino was giving me something that had $50,000 worth of value, I might consider it. My casino doesn't have anything that valuable to me.

What we should do on this forum is realize there are many ways to enjoy VP. Everyone wants to profit. Few do. Some believe they can. Others don't, so they may play differently. There is no "right" or "wrong" way to play this game. There are only players with different opportunities, bankrolls, skill levels, physical abilities and goals both long and short term. You are not going to "teach" everyone to be a long term winner playing VP. You can rant and moan because someone else chooses a different path or you can help them keep more of their money.

[olds442jetaway]

Help is one of my favorite words to remember throughout life. Besides the millions of things that brings to mind, I remember my mom's words the most. She had just made a batch of homeade toll house cookies. She would say to me help yourself, but remember there are others who may want one too. When I was 18, I lifted a small car off of a badly injured and trapped driver. In those days, it could take nearly half hour for an ambulance to arrive. No cell phones. Not even a hand held calculator existed. I have no idea how I did it and for sure I could never duplicate it. Anyway, making a trip up to Mohegan tonight. Hopefully, the deuces will be as plentiful as the my mom's toll house cookies sitting on that tray.

[BobDancer]

Does VP math matter that much to you when you are playing quarters? Not to me. Probably why I'm not the expert on this forum.

True. But you compensate for it by offering more advice than anybody else does.

[billryan]

But it's so much fun!

Please clarify.
Do you think it's fun misplaying video poker hands or is it fun to make an ass of yourself on the internet, spreading misinformation?
Pretty sure neither is fun for normal folks, and I doubt you have the wealth to be eccentric.
I suppose howling at the moon might be fun, especially if waddling in the mud simultaneously
Different strokes and all of that.

[FloridaPhil]

Please clarify.

Actually, I enjoy discussing dreams with fools. You can learn a lot about people that way. Their priorities, their ability to be easily influenced and their utter lack of common sense. We live in a free county where everyone is free to express their own opinion. It's when one of us attempts to silence the opinions of others that we run into trouble.

[tech58]

There's the vitriol crowd again.

Back under your rocks billy & bd.

[JoB Hero]

Had another skilled hold yesterday.

I love logging in every few days to see every getting along together in a duces brag thread.
It actually made me burst out laughing at the airport waiting for the flight. I’ll post my trip report in the rec. forum. I can’t wait to see the civilized conversation that will follow

[JoB Hero]

[/quote]This is where my critics go into full attack mode and these threads go off the rails. A little explanation may help this time.

If playing 100% computer perfect is important to you, you should play exactly like the computer says to play. My computer tells me you made an error by not keeping the five of a kind. My computer tells me that error cost you $7.64. However, you took a chance and won $1,000. Over time, that error will cost you more than if you play like the computer says to.
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I don’t have access to VPFW right now. What program are you using?

[FloridaPhil]

I don’t have access to VPFW right now. What program are you using?

There are a number of hands and pay tables referenced in this thread. If you are referencing the hand in the first photo, the player was dealt a straight flush in dollars with three deuces 2,2,2,Q,9. He held the deuces, threw away the straight flush and hit a quad deuce on the draw. My software says he made the correct play for that pay schedule. If he had kept the straight flush, my software says the error would have cost him $22. I am using VWP software version 1.78.0.0.

Like I stated before, Deuces Wild is a very tricky game to play perfectly as there are many different pay schedules and the strategy could be different for each one. If I was going to play dollars or above, I would make the effort to play each game optimally. Playing quarters like I do, I hold three deuces in all cases except a wild royal. At the end of the year, whatever penalties I incur are insignificant to me. This may not be the best choice mathematically. It is my personal choice.

When a member makes a post on this forum he/she is expecting a response from someone who wants to join the conversation in good faith. Unfortunately, we have a few members who have a different agenda. These members never join the conversation or have anything helpful to say. All they do is stand back and hurl insults or make negative comments. Their purpose is to silence anyone and everyone who disagrees with them or their lifestyle.

If anyone has a disagreement with anything I post on this forum, state your disagreement in detail and I will respond as accurately and politely as I can. I am not perfect and I do make errors. You may not like what I say. Everyone does not have to think like you do.