Duces

[markinca]

Does VP math matter that much to you when you are playing quarters?

For one hand? Probably not. Over a lifetime? Hell yes - it adds up. This is what you consistently fail to understand.

It's exactly the same principle that makes casinos their money in the first place. On any given hand of blackjack, or pull of a slot, or running of a keno game, the house edge is so small, anything could happen. But over years of millions of casino patrons? All those edges add up into giant casino resorts and huge wall street profits.

[billryan]

In most typical DW variants (paying 1000 credits for 4 deuces), I believe you keep the 3 deuces only UNLESS 1) you have a wild royal, or 2) you have a 5 of a kind, tens through aces.

That applies to FPDW only for the quints since 4 of a kind is 25 vs. 20.

Otherwise for all other paytables:

75+ coin quint: Hold

60 or less coin quint: Break

Ah, didn't know that. Learn something new every day. So for a game like, say, NSUD, you hold all 3 deuce-5oaks?

That's how I play it.

[Jstark]

In most typical DW variants (paying 1000 credits for 4 deuces), I believe you keep the 3 deuces only UNLESS 1) you have a wild royal, or 2) you have a 5 of a kind, tens through aces.

That applies to FPDW only for the quints since 4 of a kind is 25 vs. 20.

Otherwise for all other paytables:

75+ coin quint: Hold

60 or less coin quint: Break

Ah, didn't know that. Learn something new every day. So for a game like, say, NSUD, you hold all 3 deuce-5oaks?

Yes, you hold 222(insert pair here) in NSUD.

[Jstark]

In most typical DW variants (paying 1000 credits for 4 deuces), I believe you keep the 3 deuces only UNLESS 1) you have a wild royal, or 2) you have a 5 of a kind, tens through aces.

That applies to FPDW only for the quints since 4 of a kind is 25 vs. 20.

Otherwise for all other paytables:

75+ coin quint: Hold

60 or less coin quint: Break

Ah, didn't know that. Learn something new every day. So for a game like, say, NSUD, you hold all 3 deuce-5oaks?

If you are playing quarters your choice is between winning $20 or taking a chance at winning $250. You could also hit a wild royal and walk away with $31.25, another five of a kind, a straight flush or a number of other paying hands. Does VP math matter that much to you when you are playing quarters? Not to me. Probably why I'm not the expert on this forum.

AND probably another reason why you're not a winning player!

[FloridaPhil]

AND probably another reason why you're not a winning player!

This is where my critics go into full attack mode and these threads go off the rails. A little explanation may help this time.

Deuces Wild is a very difficult game to play 100% computer perfect. It is also one of the most entertaining VP games in the casino. It has other interesting attributes. It's a game where making mistakes can bring positive results. The wild cards in the game can make most anything happen. You miss a straight flush draw only to find you are staring at a quad deuce or a wild royal.

If playing 100% computer perfect is important to you, you should play exactly like the computer says to play. My computer tells me you made an error by not keeping the five of a kind. My computer tells me that error cost you $7.64. However, you took a chance and won $1,000. Over time, that error will cost you more than if you play like the computer says to.

The variance of Deuces Wild is higher than Jacks or Better and lower than Double Double Bonus. Much of the payback in DW is contained in the royal flush and quad deuce jackpots. If you don't get either in a day you are going to take a beating, especially if you are going to play at the dollar level. Put a string of bad days together and things will look pretty glum. It comes with the game.

I realize there is no way I can play Deuces Wild 100% computer perfect forever. I also don't have access to NSU. The best DW game we have is 98.9%. I avoid all these issues by playing quarters. I play VP for maximum entertainment and consider it a pay to play situation. I am not entertained by $20 five of a kinds. I am playing Deuces Wild for $250 quad deuces and $1,000 royals.

I know the math and am willing to pay a little extra for the chance at a bigger jackpot. My strategy is to play small enough where the cost of making errors doesn't affect me one way or the other. This frees me up to make my playing decisions based on their entertainment value as opposed to long term financial value.

Is this wrong from a VP mathematics standpoint? Yes. Does it deliver more entertainment? That answer depends on the person. In my case the answer is Yes.

[Jstark]

If you're playing for "entertainment", I STILL don't see why you just stay home and play on your computer. It's FREE!

[Deloradeuces18]

For me, that's easy... part of the "entertainment" is that you leave with some extra $$$ some days. It's why people have been gambling for centuries.

At home is great too, but it's a very different experience.

[FloridaPhil]

For me, that's easy... part of the "entertainment" is that you leave with some extra $$$ some days. It's why people have been gambling for centuries.At home is great too, but it's a very different experience.

Of course. I can play fishing video games on my computer too. I don't have to put on sun screen, rock around in the boat, cast my arm off all day and it's definitely cheaper. It's not the same experience as real fishing.

I think what bugs some people about my posts is I don't care if I make a profit playing video poker. Of all the things I enjoy doing in this world, very few of them make a profit. I like great food. I like travel. I like fast cars. I like great looking older women like my wife. None of those things make me money. Some have cost me a heck of a lot more than playing VP ever will. Video poker is just another thing that brings me pleasure. Sometimes I make money when I go to the casino. Most of the time I don't. When I'm bored with it, I walk away.

[markinca]

I think what bugs some people about my posts is I don't care if I make a profit playing video poker.

No, what bugs most people about your posts is not only your ignorance, but that you seemingly seem to revel in it.

That and the fact that you repeat the exact same things on every post.

[FloridaPhil]

But it's so much fun!