Amber. Guyger defense fund

[DaBurglar]

Anyone feel like contributing to the criminal defense of officer Amber guyger, the Dallas PD officer who walked into a black youth pastor's apartment one floor above her apartment and blew him away?

As many of you are always saying, we MUST see things first and foremost from the officer's point of view....you enter what you think is your appt, but it's pitch black. Even still, you can clearly make out a black man who refused to obey your command to "freeze" (of course, it's his home so why should he?)

The Dallas PD hand off the investigation to the Texas rangers, who then give officer guyger three whole days to tweak her story before filing manslaughter charges.

This has to be the most absurd, idiotic, tragic thing I have heard in years...

[Carcounter]

If this is the most absurd, idiotic, tragic thing you have heard in years, you haven't been paying attention.

[DaBurglar]

If this is the most absurd, idiotic, tragic thing you have heard in years, you haven't been paying attention.

I should have been more measured & specific, you are correct. I should have said, this is one of the most absurd, idiotic and tragic things in the realm of police-civilian shootings I've encountered in years, which of course it is.....

Just out of curiosity since you took it in this direction, what qualifies, in your opinion, as MORE absurd/idiotic and/or Tragic than this bizarre episode?


I'm sorry, but this incident just oozes with stupidity and wrongful thinking/motivation. The officer's story, which again she had a LONNNG time to create/adjust/perfect, still makes ZERO sense unless she is in fact a complete and total moron.....and given the choices, that she's either a conniving cold blooded racist killer or a complete bonehead, if she is a boneheaqd/moron it then begets the question "Who or what are the Dallas PD actually hiring these days?" WHich in turn completely and totally JUSTIFIES every question and inquiry made into the actions and legitimacy of everything that PD does if this is the potential caliber of the individuals enforcing the law.

I'm inclined to believe that this woman is just a mean, miserable individual who premeditatedly conjured this bizarre scenario either as a means to garner attention (yes, people will do seemingly bizarre, awful things like this just for that very reason) or simply to shoot someone she didn't like. Her story such as it is makes zero sense and keeps changing each time its told....bottomline, I cannot fathom what went through that poor pastor's mind in the final seconds of his life. It really does not get more tragically bizarre than a innocent, GOOD UPSTANDING civilian at home in his HOME being killed by someone who is supposed to be the very person to protect someone like him in the first place.

So to repeat my point made long ago....it is not logical nor "right" to just automatically support or vouch for police officers, everywhere all the time.....you must take each and every one individually one at a time. Sadly, this female officer's stupidity and evilness (to the extent it exists) detracts from all the MANY good upstanding officers out there, which again is why you must evaluate everyone based solely on their own individual merits.

[Eduardo]

Do you ever find the time to smile and appreciate life or do you just turn on the news, pick something to be ANGRY about with capital letters, and come here to the video poker website to vent? How does this have a positive impact on... anything?

[Carcounter]

Eduardo is right on point. As far as something more tragic, an 11 year old girl was raped and murdered by her 18 year old neighbor in Keansburg NJ recently. I believe her name was Abbiegail Smith. Kate Steinle and Mollie Tibbets come to mind as well. You have a vendetta against cops, ok, I get it. I don't blindly support everything they do, but they have a thankless, complicated job and the overwhelming majority of them do a great job. I will repeat something i read in a WSJ article recently. In 1970, over 300 civilians were killed by the NYPD. last year, it was 10-15. the numbers may be off a little, but you get where I am coming from.

[Chicagoan]

There is a witness disputing the officer's account of what happened. I imagine that there's more to this story than we've heard so far. My guess is that the officer had previous run-in's with the deceased victim. Notice that his apartment was directly above her's. Notice that she works tough shifts. Possible previous noise problems from the apartment above? She said the apartment door was ajar, but the witness says she knocked and demanded that the door be opened. Further, why would the legitimate occupant of the apartment be standing in the dark in his own apartment, as she said? My guess is that she confronted him about a problem and it escalated and after a long shift she lost it and blew him away. 2nd degree at the least. Once again, however, those who dislike police officers seem to forget that something like >.1% of all officers are problems. Compare that to accountants, salesmen, garbage collectors, etc.

[tech58]

More talk of curbing billy's negativity? I repeat my comment from another thread. Good luck with that!
"it is his nature, it's what he does (see turtle and scorpion story).
Liberals are always attacking something. Poverty,crime, drug abuse, homelessness,population growth (see millions of abortions each year,killing innocent unborn or already born american citizens),illiteracy,i could go on. They never accomplish anything ,but are never held accountable for that. There wasting of trillions of taxpayer dollars bought them a lot of votes and there failure to affect anything was explained away by blaming cold-hearted conservatives not letting them wizz away even more trillions!

Don't try to tell me this did not happen!! I lived it!! I did not learn it from the sick and twisted halls of academia!! I saw what happened to my country from the 50's to the 80's and so did many millions of other Americans who were paying attention!!

The progressive liberals had no clue as to what happened in November 2016!! But these millions of Americans who knew in their gut that their country was headed in the wrong direction t,hey knew!!
Failing liberal states like Illinois, Caliphonia, New York, and others are on the same track as liberal countries such as Greece, France, Sweden, etc.!! Socialism has failed every time down thru history!!

Progressive liberalism is a sickness!! It has to be defeated!! No compromise and no prisoners!!
No politician is going to do that!! AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHY DONALD TRUMP WAS ELECTED!!!!!

He is a business man. He is used to winning not compromising. Is he sometimes rude-and-crude? Sure. Why? Because he can be!! And that is why he is getting so much accomplished!! This is true despite what the biased liberal media is saying.

He is doing exactly what the people who elected him expected!! And we do not care how many corners he cuts or toes he steps on to get there!!

Did he expect the political hacks, the hangers on who feed at the public trough, most of whom who could not make it in the private sector,to help him drain the swamp? I doubt it!! Number one rule in the job of swamp draining,DON'T EXPECT THE SNAKES AND ALLIGATORS TO HELP YOU!!!!

Stay tuned. Another November surprise is on the way.

[DaBurglar]

Do you ever find the time to smile and appreciate life or do you just turn on the news, pick something to be ANGRY about with capital letters, and come here to the video poker website to vent? How does this have a positive impact on... anything?

Oh come on Eduardo, what a lazy-ass "retort"...do you try to make as broad a generalization about someone/something with as flimsy evidence as possible? Isn't there any current event or political/social issue you can engage in a healthy interesting intelligent debate about in this Anything & everything section...??? If not, and if you truly find my posts so noxious then why not just pretend I don't exist?

Do you shake your fist at the TV news for reporting almost exclusively "bad" news and negative stories? When you first heard the Amber Guyger news on (insert name of news channel), did you lament "Oh that's not fair! What about the 6200 other Dallas PD officers who went home that day and did NOT enter the wrong home and murder the occupant?

If other posters were creating and posting interesting and engaging threads on ANYTHING, I'd be all up in that and would be far far less likely to post about Amber Guyger! But this incident really is exceptional in it's bizarreness!

[DaBurglar]

Eduardo is right on point. As far as something more tragic, an 11 year old girl was raped and murdered by her 18 year old neighbor in Keansburg NJ recently. I believe her name was Abbiegail Smith. Kate Steinle and Mollie Tibbets come to mind as well. You have a vendetta against cops, ok, I get it. I don't blindly support everything they do, but they have a thankless, complicated job and the overwhelming majority of them do a great job. I will repeat something i read in a WSJ article recently. In 1970, over 300 civilians were killed by the NYPD. last year, it was 10-15. the numbers may be off a little, but you get where I am coming from.

I do not have a vendetta against cops! Unbelievable! This is a classic example of selective listening/acknowledgement. I've made it very clear what my stance is and what exactly I have a issue with....you do actually state, as well as express agreement with, what my stance is ..... AFTER you make your erroneous statement that I have a vendetta!! We both don't "blindly support everything" concerning cops, that's essentially my position, I reject these excessively saccharine and aggrandizing notions and actual organizations that promote an unhealthy, unrealistic and inaccurate portrait of law enforcement (i.e. blue lives matter). I do have tremendous respect for the individual officers who perform their duties with integrity, competency and discernment.

Yes, certainly every other story or issue you cited is just as tragic and sad, but why would any of them be more noteworthy? The Amber Guyger incident really truly is bizarre and exceptionally disturbing, and is definitely not something that happens ...like, ever! If you just want to criticize my actual specific choice of topic for a thread, you are free to do so obviously....but in doing so, it just seems people are taking issue with me posting ANYTHING rather than the specific actual story!

[DaBurglar]

There is a witness disputing the officer's account of what happened. I imagine that there's more to this story than we've heard so far. My guess is that the officer had previous run-in's with the deceased victim. Notice that his apartment was directly above her's. Notice that she works tough shifts. Possible previous noise problems from the apartment above? She said the apartment door was ajar, but the witness says she knocked and demanded that the door be opened. Further, why would the legitimate occupant of the apartment be standing in the dark in his own apartment, as she said? My guess is that she confronted him about a problem and it escalated and after a long shift she lost it and blew him away. 2nd degree at the least. Once again, however, those who dislike police officers seem to forget that something like >.1% of all officers are problems. Compare that to accountants, salesmen, garbage collectors, etc.

Excellent post Chicago! Excellent!

I've ruminated over the whole story: her changing accounts of what happened, the evidence confirmed thus far as well as the unconfirmed details and information that has come forth thus far.... it's truly bizarre, and very very sad! Along with the murdered pastor, Numerous lives were irreparably damaged or ruined outright!