Triple doublebonus

[desoto3]

Hi. I'm a fairly new player who's been hitting the five cents triple play machines at our local tribal casino since I started to play 6 months ago, and I've had good luck so far on crummy paytables. I haven't got any of the programs to teach me the game perfect yet but I've got one on order.
 
I do have a question to ask of anyone who might have an idea right now. In triple double bonus (the game that only pays two for one on 3 of a kind) I know I should hold dealt 3 aces with a 2 or 3 or 4 and go for the 4th ace. But what about dealt three 2,3,or 4's with a kicker. Is it the right play to hold the kicker with them too?
 
Thanks

[MikeA]

Hi. I'm a fairly new player who's been hitting the five cents triple play machines at our local tribal casino since I started to play 6 months ago, and I've had good luck so far on crummy paytables. I haven't got any of the programs to teach me the game perfect yet but I've got one on order.
 
I do have a question to ask of anyone who might have an idea right now. In triple double bonus (the game that only pays two for one on 3 of a kind) I know I should hold dealt 3 aces with a 2 or 3 or 4 and go for the 4th ace. But what about dealt three 2,3,or 4's with a kicker. Is it the right play to hold the kicker with them too?
 
ThanksYes.  With trip 2-4 hold a kicker (A-4)

[RAMLUVSVP]

Right or wrong I never keep a kicker. I want 2 chances to hit my 4 of a kind. That 4 of a kind pays a whole lot more than 3 of a kind and there are still lots more kickers you can catch.  I also will keep ace or face with a ten if they are suited rather than two unsuited high cards ( i.e., As,  Kh, 10s, 3h, 8d ). I'll keep the As and 10s instead of the A - K. I've hit several royals this way. I know its not the right way but its sure nice to get that $1000.00 instead of that  25 cents.

[shadowman]

One of the things that makes expert play so difficult is the fact that very often you will "hit" other holds. The reason for this is easy to see. For each correct hold there are 31 others. Many times these other holds are a close 2nd or 3rd, and they are sure to hit now and then. Sometimes the 2nd best hold will hit, sometimes the 3rd, etc. It's easy to feel like the "best" hold is failing so why not go with another. Of course, the same holds true with the 2nd best hold if you start keeping it.
 
Another problem is that for some holds you might acutally do better with a 2nd or 3rd choice for a long, long time. However, the problem is ... how can you know ahead of time which 2nd or 3rd best holds to keep? Since there is no way, keeping the best hold will always be the best approach in the future.
 
Finally, there's nothing wrong with "going for it" on certain holds as long as you understand that it's probably going to cost you a little money over time. For many people it's worth it.

[JDanno]

I just played 5000 hands of single line JoB 9/6 and recorded the FH and 4 oaks to see how often they would hit. A 100,000 hand game sample would of course be better but who has that time (so far!  ).
 
Full house was hit 28 times for a once every 179 hand occurance for 1260 coins
 
Four of a kind was hit 10 times for once every 500 hand occurance for 1250 coins
 
the final result was -1120 coins  for the session of perfect play. A loss of $280 for the session of $.25 play or $28 dollars per hour  for 10 hours of play. I don't know about the rest of you, but I can seem to lose more than $28 per hour when I play $.25. The money sure goes fast at that denomination.
 
I believe that these hands are within "normal" parameters considering that the sample (5000 hands) is small. Of course this does represent approximately 8 to 10 hours of casino playing with it's attending distractions and interuptions.
 
Guess what.....the ratio of "4 of a kind" to  "full house" was found to be 1 to 2.8  which is exactly the same as the payout of 125 coins divided by 45 coins (2.8 rounded off).
So, one could then conclude that the ratio of the occurance vs. the payoff is just about the same for both hands. I'll bet that the boys who figured out the pay schedules already knew that! 
 
I'm going to stick with "perfect play" or should I say "optimal play" as I like the almost 3x occurance of a decent hit over the more rare occurrying big hit.
Any comments pro or con are appreciated.

[shadowman]

You should hit a full house about every 87 hands and 4oak every 423 hands playing 9/6 JOB. You were somewhat unlucky on these particular hits. Average luck (no RF or SF) would yield a ~97% payback over 5000 hands. $6250*.03 = $187.50 loss. 

[JDanno]

where can one find the tables that show the occurences for each paying hand for the different games??  Thanks!

[shadowman]

Most of the software tutors provide this information when you analyze a particular paytable. I got the numbers above from winpoker but I know vipoker, FVP, WVP, VPW, etc. also provide this info.